Posted on 09/17/2007 3:30:35 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #6 – Fort Lauderdale, Florida 09/17/07 - Official Discussion Thread
The debate will focus on issues of special concern to social and religious conservatives who brand themselves "values voters." The candidates will begin arriving here mid-afternoon, and the debate kicks off at 7:30 p.m. Eastern Time. It will be streamed live via the Internet at ValuesVoterDebate.com and the website for the American Family Association.
It is also reported to be telecast on Sky Angel's Angel One channel & Dish Network channel #262.
Moderated by Joseph Farah, editor of WorldNetDaily
Candidates participating
It was the stupidest thing I’ve ever witnessed in a debate!
My satellite service was down when it started but when it came back I tuned in to the debate.
They looked just like trained seals pressing a button to light up a colored light when tossed a fish!
No words or opinion just trained seals pressing buttons.
I watched thinking there must be more to it than that?
There wasn’t so I shut it off. The freaking talking snowman made more sense than this format!
When a Paulitinians says “neoCon” they mean somebody who supports Israel. The antisemitic vibe from the Paulistinians is strong and repugnant.
Ron Paul is the candidate of David Duke and those charming StormFronters.
Rank slander is the tactic of the mentally deficient, surely that is not supported by any facts.
NeoCons are not interested in the Constitutional Limitations on Govt and very reliant on democracy as a cure all even when it will guarantee and Islamacist Govt is installed and that is just desperate clinging to a failed ideology, no different then a Communist Party meeting in Wisconsin....
We would like Ron Paul a lot more if he didn’t seem determined keep coming back again and again to war. He uses a lot of the angry rhetoric that the democrats use on this issue and thus people like myself react viscerally to his statements. If he would just focus on the issues that he has in common with the rest of the conservative movement he would have a lot more support. A few of his answers last night were great - but his determination to make his campaign about the war has doomed any chance he had to appeal to a broad spectrum of Republicans - especially when he makes statements like “they kill us because we are occupying their lands” which are patently ridiculous and paint the U.S. as the agressor.
He chose to allow Free Will. He knew that we would fall but he still wanted us to be free to be able to choose to follow him or choose to reject him. Instead of being robots who could only do what is right. This is not an example of God making a mistake.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57701
“Except that when the VP choice comes from the presidential candidate field, such as Kerry’s choice of Edward’s, or Reagan’s choice of Bush, the running mate is a strong runner up, not a proven loser from the bottom of the heap.”
When it comes to some of them you are correct using the word “loser.” When it comes to Hunter, Tancredo or maybe even Huckabee (some of my relatives dems all, are looking for bumper stickers that read “I heart Huckabee”) would make fine VP’s.
You are one sick puppy. Blackbird.
I appreciate your good intentions and advocacy for the helpless and your respect for life.
Terry didn't have a living will and the law is very clear that the spouse has the ultimate decision in such cases. (The law recognizes that a person chooses his/her spouse but doesn't choose their parents, now with some of the dysfunctional marriages out there you can argue that the law is wrong, but that is a story for a different day)
On the other hand, I do have a living will and it specifically states 4 things my wife or kids should do if I am ever in a vegetative state that I will not recover from (some might say I'm already there):
1. Do not keep me alive by artificial means.
2. Whatever you do, do not put video of me drooling on myself on every TV channel from here to Sydney.
3. Do not let the religious right use me like a pawn to make a political point.
4. If you violate rules 2 and 3 above, when I meet you at the pearly gates, the first thing I'm going to do is give you a big hug, and the second thing I'm going to do is slap you across the face for not respecting my wishes :-)
But God created the system which allows evil to exist and flourish. We could still have free will if evil didn't exist...it would just be a choice between different 'goods'.
Here's an analogy: I go into a bakery and have 'free will' to choose among dozens of types of good pastries. Nowhere do I find disgusting, poisonous items for sale...and I don't even have a natural desire for these items, and I wouldn't expect the bakery to provide them.
God has created a bakery that allows its customers to have 'free will' to chose between 'good food' and 'poisonous food'. Seems to me we could do just fine without the 'poisonous food'.
God IS perfect.
However, he gave us, and the angels, free will - otherwise, we would be robots.
“Rep. Duncan Hunter of California explained, “If a judicial candidate can look at a sonogram of an unborn child and not see a valuable human life, I will not appoint that judicial candidate to the federal bench. It’s as simple as that.”’
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57701
bttt. Why isn’t this thread, or a similar one of this topic, listed among the sidebar features?
Well, Ron Paul proved again last night that he was not going to lighten his message to cater to a particular audience.
RP’s message is not that much different than Pat B. message in the 90’s. I really liked Pat’s stand on the trade issue, but I also supported his idea of bringing the troops home from all over the world. Pat called them trip wires to get us into another war. He also wanted to get us out of the Middle East. Problem was his other comments about the Jewish lobby got him branded as an anti-semite.
Whether or not you like RP’s way of phrasing it, it is true. I think he says because we were there, not because we were occupying land. OBL’s declaration of jihad specifically mentions US troops (read infidels) being in their holy land as one of their reasons for attacking us.
Radical Islam didn’t mind us getting Saddam out of Kuwait. As Saddam ran a pretty secular nation and had fought a war against a nation run under Islamic law.
The founders didn’t even want our own government to have a standing army and now we have standing armies all over the world. All that will do is get us involved in a lot of wars that have no bearing on our national security, and earn us the hatred of a lot of people.
No, those guys aren't there because they're politically astute. There is no upside for them. If they maintain an image of staying above the fray it only cements the image of front runner whether or not that perception is deserved. Btw, I'm a Frederalist.
I remember a lot of people being upset that Congress attempted to uphold the Constitutionally protected right to life, but I don’t remember specific names and dates. I often browse through old threads. I’ll try to remember and ping you if I come across anything that helps answer the question.
Terri (a woman, thus the feminine spelling) was not kept alive by the government. Judge Greer, under authority of the government, ordered her death by starvation/dehydration. She was not dead or dying. There was nothing unnatural about her ability to survive the neglectful and abusive conditions imposed upon her. She didn't require extraordinary or heroic measures. But she could no more survive without food and water than you could. If you were denied food and water, you would die, just like she did. And the fact that you are not brain damaged would not change the fact that it would be murder. It's not okay to kill people just because they have some disability you don't approve of. Murder is wrong, always.
When I say “loser” I mean it in the most literal terms possible. If they were “winners” they would not all be in the single digits.
If there is to be a VP from the ranks of the presidential candidates, it will be Rudy Giuliani.
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