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Genetics “Central Dogma” Is Dead
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | September 12, 2007

Posted on 09/16/2007 3:45:54 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

“The gene is dead... long live the gene,” announced subtitles to an article in Science News this week.1 Geneticists have come to a striking conclusion over the last few years: genes are not the most important things in DNA, if they even exist as a concept.

The “central dogma” of genetics, since Watson and Crick determined the structure of DNA, is that genetic information flows one-way – from the gene to the protein. In the textbooks, a gene was supposed to be a finite stretch of DNA that, when read by the translation process, produced a messenger RNA, which recruited transfer RNAs to assemble the amino acids for one protein.

As Patrick Barry described in his article “Genome 2.0,”1 the situation in real cells is much messier. “Mountains of new data are challenging old views,” his subtitle announced, including the “modern orthodoxy” that only genes are important:

"Researchers slowly realized, however, that genes occupy only about 1.5 percent of the genome. The other 98.5 percent, dubbed “junk DNA,“ was regarded as useless scraps left over from billions of years of random genetic mutations. As geneticists’ knowledge progressed, this basic picture remained largely unquestioned...." "Closer examination of the full human genome is now causing scientists to return to some questions they thought they had settled. For one, they’re revisiting the very notion of what a gene is."...

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TOPICS: Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: coyotemanhasspoken; creation; dna; evolution; genetics; genome
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To: RightWhale
DNA doesn’t drive evolution, and isn’t actually vital to the life of cells: some cells get by with no DNA for months. OTOH, neuronic cells use DNA to build various neurotransmitter chemicals and do it all the time.

Nice non-sequitors.

Well, Ok, then mutations to DNA drive natural selection which over eons drives species change , aka evolution. Bu the cells would not be made without DNA so I would hold off on statements that cells dont need DNA.

Several examples of cells without nucleic acid - red blood cells- they only last a few weeks at best. But without DNA they cannot replicate.

Most neurotransmitters are not proteins but they are fabricated from enzymes that are proteins made from instructions included in DNA.

21 posted on 09/16/2007 4:48:14 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: corkoman

My non sequiters have been overshadowed and vanquished to their shame by your own.


22 posted on 09/16/2007 4:50:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: RightWhale
Every chance to introduce the "Every sperm is sacred" song into a thread is sacred,
Every chance to introduce the "Every sperm is sacred" song into a thread is great,
If a chance gets wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the liberals cast them,
Down by their dusty shoes.
God will punish them,
For every chance that they didn't use.

I fear for your immortal soul, RightWhale.

24 posted on 09/16/2007 4:52:02 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Puddleglum

Lately there have been these diversity yahoos going around to universities trumpeting the fact that 99.99% of genes in humans are the same. The message here being that we are all more similar than different. Even people from different races can be more genetically similar than people of the same race. I thought it was crap when I heard it, but this article confirms it.


25 posted on 09/16/2007 4:52:56 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:1
26 posted on 09/16/2007 4:53:59 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Hoplite

I appreciate your concern but it is ill-informed.


27 posted on 09/16/2007 4:56:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: js1138

28 posted on 09/16/2007 4:58:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: GodGunsGuts

You have at least one museum now with exhibits showing humans and dinosaurs together and 40,000 people went through that museum the first month from what I read. I see a lot of hundred-dollar shows out there when kids who’ve been through that thing end up sitting in highschool and college bio classes and some ****head teacher or prof starts talking about millions and trillions of years and evolution. Lot of those teachers and profs are going to feel like they’ve just walked into a Dangerfield movie.


29 posted on 09/16/2007 4:58:45 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: RightWhale
Quite an assertion. Information is irrelevant.

Now THAT's quite an assertion! But one that is necessary to continue to refute any possiblity of an intelligence that preceded information.
30 posted on 09/16/2007 5:01:27 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

31 posted on 09/16/2007 5:03:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: RightWhale

That only proves that he’s consistent.


32 posted on 09/16/2007 5:06:06 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: RightWhale
On a C/E thread it can only mean there is a third party observing the fortifications from a distance.

I still don't know what you imply by "two" parties.

I see young earth creationists who deny any evolution. I see the answers in Genesis crowd who believe in hyperevolution, directed pamspermia advocates, anthropic principal advocates, evolution with occasional interventionists, God in everythingists, evolution of everything but humanists, and more.

On this thread, I see people who have obviously not read the article chortling over the assumption that it represents a problem for mainstream biology.

33 posted on 09/16/2007 5:07:29 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

I suppose the C crowd can be divided into as many tents as there are individual posters, sometimes even more. But, from a distance all their tents look like a single camp. Probably the same can be done with the E crowd.


34 posted on 09/16/2007 5:09:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Well, of course they are open minded, or else they wouldn’t be rethinking things.

Of course we first postulated a gene as a single entity, that represented a single condition. Then as additional information becomes available, additional complexity is discovered.

By contrast, religious approaches seem to have a lot of trouble with the rethinking part.


35 posted on 09/16/2007 5:10:35 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: RightWhale
I appreciate your concern but it is ill-informed.

Alright, but when the Spanish inquisition has you confined to the comfy chair and starts prodding you with the soft cushions demanding how you let

Individual cells don’t get a whole heckuva lot done on their own, do they.

get by without proffering the requisite ecclesiastical response, well I just don't know what you're going to say.

= )

36 posted on 09/16/2007 5:10:41 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

37 posted on 09/16/2007 5:15:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: js1138

==On this thread, I see people who have obviously not read the article chortling over the assumption that it represents a problem for mainstream biology.

Materialist explanations for life will always present a problem for mainstream biologists because there explanations will always be resisted by the facts of Creation.


38 posted on 09/16/2007 5:16:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: RightWhale
I suppose the C crowd can be divided into as many tents as there are individual posters, sometimes even more. But, from a distance all their tents look like a single camp. Probably the same can be done with the E crowd.

When it comes to unsettled issues, scientists are like Jews.

Two Jews, three opinions.

39 posted on 09/16/2007 5:17:58 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

Yeah. Old joke. But true.


40 posted on 09/16/2007 5:21:34 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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