Posted on 09/03/2007 2:58:03 PM PDT by knighthawk
Karima's dual 'conversion'
Karima Tieleman's first 'conversion' was from male to female; six years later she converted to Islam. However, the acceptance she hoped to find has also proved to be sadly absent among her fellow believers. She believes it is her fate to be misunderstood and rejected for the rest of her life. Although she says she's happy with her life, she also admits that she sometimes tires of having to fight all the time.
Karima Tieleman, her blushing Dutch face ringed by a black chador, speaks softly and is a little shy. It took her a while and much thought before she consented to tell her story.
Psychiatric clinic
Now aged 31, Karima realised she was a female in a male body when she was around eight years old, but waited until puberty to tell her parents. They were extremely shocked and took her to a doctor. In the 1980s, transsexuality was still a taboo in some circles. She was admitted to a psychiatric clinic at a hospital in Utrecht.
She then fell into the depths of misery. She failed at senior school - she wasn't accepted by her fellow students - and attempted suicide twice. The only person that understood her was her younger sister.
As a man
When she was 17, she decided not to fight the world any more and to go through life as a man. She went to work in the horticultural sector, going to discos in the evening where she'd gaze at girls who she didn't find at all attractive.
She managed to maintain this charade for three years before realising it wasn't going to work. Finally, she chose for her own truth. She went to the gender clinic at the Free University Hospital in Amsterdam and found the expertise and support she needed. It was here, that for the first time in her life, she heard that it was okay and that she could prepare to live her life as a girl. A couple of years later, now aged 24, she underwent the final operation to become a woman. She started working in a shoe shop in Rotterdam. "After that last operation, I really started living".
Always rejected
However, it wasn't an easy life. New friends disappeared as soon as they heard her story and she didn't have much luck with relationships either. Her greatest love betrayed her, and later turned out to have been married all along. Since then she's come to the conclusion that she will always be rejected and no longer wants to have a relationship.
Her second 'conversion' took place last year. Many of the customers in the shoe shop were Moroccan women and she got on well with them. Young headscarf-wearing women told her about Islam. She felt accepted by those women in a way that was totally new to her. That is exactly what makes Islam so attractive to her: "In Islam you are accepted just as you are". She eventually decided to convert. She went to a local mosque and said the Shahadah, or profession of faith.
Hijab
She now has an Arabic name, Karima and lives as a Muslim. In fact, she's become a woman who makes her choice of religion very clear indeed in her choice of dress. Her body - which, after so much anguish, she had altered to reflect the way she truly felt inside - is now fully covered by a black hijab, with only her face left exposed. Even her hands are covered with black gloves.
Rejection continues to follow Karima, only now she is regularly the target of verbal abuse because of her strict Islamic style of dress: "You wouldn't believe all the kinds of insults that get hurled at you", she comments.
However, she also faced resistance from her fellow believers. At the mosque where she first converted to Islam, neither the women nor the men wanted to pray together with her. The imam, who she had won over to a certain extent with her story, came up with a solution: he reserved a special place for her separate from both the women and the men. I kind gesture on his part, yet one that made Karima sad because the place he chose for her was only accessible through the male entrance to the mosque.
100 percent
She then decided to go to a different mosque and to keep her story to herself, but rumours about her were already flying after she had been going there for just a week. Then she was summoned by the imam who came straight out and asked her whether she still had male genitalia. "No", she exclaimed, "I'm 100 percent a woman, it even says so in my passport!."
The imam's response was to say that she was welcome in the mosque and to allow her to pray with the women. They, too, welcomed her in their midst. "You are a woman, because you are not a man," was their reasoning, and that was an end to the matter, or so it seemed. After a while, Karima noticed a growing absence of other women around her when she attended the mosque. It turned out that the women were staying away because their men folk had forbidden them to go to the mosque… because of her. Once again, she decided to stop going to the mosque.
Accepted
Karima embraced Islam because she felt that it was a faith that accepted her, but now she finds herself rejected and even hounded by her fellow believers. How is that possible? Karima has thought about it a lot and has come to the conclusion that there is a difference between Islam as a religion and Islamic culture. The Islamic faith forgives and accepts her, but when it comes to Islamic culture there's a great deal that's wrong.
When non-Muslim Dutch people speak to her about Islam and she's asked to explain terrorism carried out in the name of Islam, she follows the same line of reasoning:
"You'll find rotten apples everywhere. But that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. Islam in fact says that we are not allowed to do such things."
Happy but tired
Karima now prays in a number of mosques in The Hague and Amsterdam, which means she can stay one step ahead of any opposition to her presence. Despite her problems with the faithful, her relationship with Allah continues to be a good one. Sometimes she spends hours in the mosque talking to Allah. She can understand that people may have a problem with her, but that doesn't make things any easier for her.
"I am - praise be to God - happy with my life. But sometimes it makes you tired; it's a daily battle."
“Karima realised she was a female in a male body when she was around eight years old, but waited until puberty to tell her parents.”
Isn’t that what is known as “penis envy?”
Oops...my bad....I guess “she” didn’t like what she was given. Long day.
Not the brightest bulb in the light string. She gets a sex-change to the sex Islam treats as the inferior sex and expects acceptance??? She'll get more respect as a suicide bomber. Sadly, I think that is where she will end up. I hope she doesn't kill any innocent people in the process!
Not the brightest bulb in the light string. She gets a sex-change to the sex Islam treats as the inferior sex and expects acceptance??? She'll get more respect as a suicide bomber. Sadly, I think that is where she will end up. I hope she doesn't kill any innocent people in the process!
Let’s see, Muslims believe that all works of Allah are perfect. A man is a work of Allah. This man effectively desecrated Allah’s creation, thwarting Allah’s will that he be a man. Obviously Allah wanted it that way or he’d have been born as a woman. He also crossed that gender line that means so much to Muslims.
And now he, or “it,” wonders why the Muslims are rejecting him? Duh! He’s more of a freak to Muslims than the rest of society.
Sucks to be him. her, it, whatever.
If she joined not to fill some teleological need, then the profane sociocultural expression of any political, religious, or other philosophical theory is the only reality left to consider.
I'm going to catch some flak, that is fine, but Islam is not that bad on paper (or at least there exist non-literal interpretations which do not make me feel the need to clean my guns). Integrated over human experience, however, it has borne only poisonous cultural and political fruit. Perhaps Islam is merely a convenient vehicle to incubate (or insulate) barbarism and evil, and perhaps, in places, it supplanted still inferior religious-cultural elements...still, symptom, disease, or failed cure, it, even as a sociocultural framework for political organization, stays locked in my sights.
On the plus side, at least the fruit loop voluntarily sterilized itself. If it doesn't adopt, I'll consider the situation a home-run.
But islam has everything to do with terrorism.
Islam in fact says that we are not allowed to do such things.
Oh, well, then I guess those guys on 9/11 must have just misunderstood something. And all the ragheads that cheered the destruction that day -- and so many others -- must have too.
Talk about a glutton for punishment. This really takes the cake.
Not half as ironic as the guy who spent years in jail, got out and had a sex change operation.
Then got in trouble again and was ultimately sentenced to 20 to life,
in the womans prison.
Unbelievable. Not only is Christianity the main faith to accept people as they are:
“For it is by faith that you are saved... And this is not of yourselves [it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast.”
but once a person has repented and put himself in Christ’s hands the Christian is absolutely forbidden to discrimate against him.
Violins playing as Karima cries out for attention in anyway he can find it. Some people go to great lengths to remain habitual victims.
A fittingly tall bride for Usama bin Dead-un.
Does not bode well for the future.
In the words of Mr Garrison (South Park). “You mean, all I am is a man with mutilated genitals?!”
Could one get any dumber?
Oh cry me a river. I hate to listen to people who make themselves martyrs. All they are is a bunch of crybabies.
You're not suggesting that this person brought it all on himself, er, herself, er, oh forget it!
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