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New Film Investigates Crushing of Dissent from Darwinian Orthodoxy
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | August 30, 2007 | Hilary White

Posted on 08/31/2007 3:21:59 AM PDT by monomaniac

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To: webboy45
You either believe in ID or in magic. My daughter’s evolution professor was at least honest enough to say, “and then the magic happens.”

On the one hand you have "...and then the magic happens." On the other hand you have "...and then a miracle occurs." So if you claim evolution has no scientific basis then how can you say ID does?

21 posted on 08/31/2007 8:08:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

LMFAO


22 posted on 08/31/2007 8:11:22 AM PDT by Shryke
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To: webboy45
The Evidence (Physics, Astronomy, Chemistry, Biology, etc....) supporting Evolution does not require supernatural intervention. That's what irks the ID crowd.

The knowledge there is no evidence of the ID god scares them.

23 posted on 08/31/2007 8:17:22 AM PDT by GreenOgre (mohammed is the false prophet of a false god.)
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The evidence of evolution (macro evolution) is non-existant. What irks the ID crowd is that one theory has become dogma without supporting evidence.


24 posted on 08/31/2007 8:25:11 AM PDT by webboy45
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To: webboy45
A question:
What specific evidence do you have that supports ID?

25 posted on 08/31/2007 8:31:26 AM PDT by Boxen (If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Then who is the intelligent designer?

One heck of an engineer.

26 posted on 08/31/2007 8:36:31 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: webboy45
What irks the ID crowd is that one theory has become dogma without supporting evidence.

So your complaint isn't that a theory without supporting evidence has become dogma. It's that your theory without supporing evidence isn't the one.

27 posted on 08/31/2007 8:36:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
One heck of an engineer.

A rambling wreck from Georgia Tech, no doubt.

28 posted on 08/31/2007 8:37:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: webboy45
The evidence of evolution (macro evolution) is non-existant. What irks the ID crowd is that one theory has become dogma without supporting evidence.

The evidence is non-existant to creationists because they absolutely refuse to see it--for religious reasons. Evolutionary scientists have no problem seeing the huge amount of evidence that is out there, with more coming each year.

And to paraphrase your second statement: What irks scientists is that dogma wants to become science without supporting evidence.

29 posted on 08/31/2007 8:38:13 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Even evolution attempts to explain the origin of life down to the very beginning.

And when evolutionists discover that God originated life, then what?

Do they become "creationists"?

30 posted on 08/31/2007 8:44:17 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
And when evolutionists discover that God originated life, then what?

Great question. I'll give you the answer: they continue with their work researching how life evolves. What did you think would happen?

31 posted on 08/31/2007 8:52:41 AM PDT by Shryke
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Just out of curiousity, but how do you think they’ll “discover” something like that?


32 posted on 08/31/2007 8:53:48 AM PDT by Boxen (If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate!)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
And when evolutionists discover that God originated life, then what?

If you insist in making religion into science then when science finds evidence which support evolution, what does that say about your religion?

33 posted on 08/31/2007 8:55:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Boxen
Proponents of ID avoid identifying the intelligent designer(god or otherwise) as a way of keeping it scientifically acceptable:

That's because "modern science" precludes the supernatural. It assumes a priori that there is nothing outside the natural. Hence it (modern science) presupposes the philosophy of materialism.

34 posted on 08/31/2007 8:55:35 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: Non-Sequitur; metmom
" I guess that elitist scientific establishment conspiracy isn't working very well?"

But their Groupies are nevertheless working very hard; that's why you're here, isn't it?

35 posted on 08/31/2007 8:59:06 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: atlaw
It's such a bizarre and blatantly obvious bit of fraud that I am at a loss to explain its persistence.

If it's an obvious fraud then you must believe they are liars and hucksters. And don't really believe what they say they believe.

Otherwise you end up with the argument that these very learned and credentialed men are stupid fools.


36 posted on 08/31/2007 9:06:51 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: monomaniac

Go Ben!


37 posted on 08/31/2007 9:07:48 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
That's because "modern science" precludes the supernatural. It assumes a priori that there is nothing outside the natural. Hence it (modern science) presupposes the philosophy of materialism.

Bullshit. Science precludes making assertions about things that cannot be studied by empirical methods.

No phenomenon that can be studied is off limits.

Quantum phenomena are weirder than anything imagined by philosophy, but they are consistent and regular, and lend themselves to observation, experimentation and quantification.

38 posted on 08/31/2007 9:08:42 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Coyoteman
Evolutionary scientists have no problem seeing the huge amount of evidence that is out there, with more coming each year.

"Evidence" that only supports evolutionary theory if you accept the premise of Darwinism before examining the evidence. So that's exactly how it's done: "Wow, a new bone! We know before we even study it that it supports Darwinism, we just have to decide how!"

You can talk about the huge amount of evidence all you like, but if that evidence were examined in a cold, critical, unabashedly scientific light, it would no more support Darwinism than it would support the notion of the man in the moon. Evolutionary theory is a house of cards held up by circular reasoning.

MM (in TX)

39 posted on 08/31/2007 9:10:09 AM PDT by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: monomaniac

How can this be? Isn’t science our God?

Science and Multiculturalism the religions that aren’t called religions...


40 posted on 08/31/2007 9:11:31 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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