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1 posted on 08/25/2007 10:46:01 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Cincinna; new yorker 77; JulieRNR21; PhiKapMom; auto power; My GOP; Al Simmons; wolfinator; ...

Rudy Giuliani has his shortcomings, but his accomplishments are undeniable. As Mayor, he achieved conservative results in the most unlikely of places. And his attempts to mollify conservatives may be paying off.


2 posted on 08/25/2007 10:50:00 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Boy this is a barf alert of biblical porprotions.


3 posted on 08/25/2007 10:52:21 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Clintonfatigued

Hes going to have to defend his gun policies, his policies toward illegal immigration, all the deals he cut with the labor unions, his public social policy pronouncements, and so on. So.. not a slam dunk. Hes peaked , IMO, so we’ll see.


6 posted on 08/25/2007 10:55:51 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Clintonfatigued

There is no way that Rudy Giuliani will win the Republican nomination. None. Bookmark it, take it to the bank, it’s not gonna happen. The base will not support Rudy the pro-abort, pro-homo RINO.


7 posted on 08/25/2007 10:56:40 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Constitutional and social conservative.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Percentage probability of nomination, per www.intrade.com contracts:

37.1 Giuliani
23.1 Romney
20.0 F Thompson
05.6 McCain
05.5 Paul
03.5 Huckabee
03.3 Gingrich
00.5 Rice
00.2 Hagel
00.1 J Bush, Tancredo

Candidacies not listed have such poor chances that no one is willing to buy their contracts.


13 posted on 08/25/2007 11:02:01 AM PDT by mdefranc
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To: Clintonfatigued
Rudy sure fits a democrat profile!

IT has no morals!
IT is for the murder of unborn babies!
IT is a big gun control nut!
IT covered for the invaders in ITS city!
IT surrounded ITself with thugs!
It is a thug!

Why does IT have an R by ITS name instead of a D?

14 posted on 08/25/2007 11:02:12 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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Barry does a good job as usual, but doesn’t provide facts to indicate that Rudy is solidifying his position.

The only fact that justifies this statement is that Rudy is still between 30-35% on the opinion polls.

Barry makes much of the fact this hasn’t changed downward—I make much of the fact it hasn’t gone up. Rudy has no momentum. I don’t believe he’ll get more than 30% of the Republican delegates.

Remember, even among primary goers, I doubt more than 50% are following the candidates. I say this to mean, I doubt 50% of the Republican primary voters are aware Rudy is pro-abortion and pro-gay.

18 posted on 08/25/2007 11:05:55 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's how to prove God's existence: ask Him to reveal Himself to you.)
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"We vote nowadays out of fear. And more Americans fear Osama bin Laden than they fear Rudolph Giuliani."

Since when? Most Americans have totally forgotten what they knew on 9/12/01 or how they felt. Now they're convinced in big numbers, both Democrats and some moron Republicans and Inds., that our gov't (Bush and Cheney) had some hand in 9/11.

Unless we have another terror attack or a real close call that shocks voters, not many will be voting on Rudy or anyone else protecting us from terror. The press and the Democrats have made '08 about Iraq, and unless something comes down the pike to change that, nobody is going to be voting for "General Giuliani" to straighten out the war.

Apparently this guy is unable to remember as far back as 1994 and learn the appropriate lessons - the Democrat wins, even Hillary, if you force conservatives to choose between two liberals. It doesn't take very many conservative defections to swing the election. If the Republicans nominate Giuliani, there will be a 3rd party conservative who siphons off enough Republican voters to elect ANY Democrat. AR, WV, and probably OH will all be in the BLUE column if the race is Rudy vs. Hillary; nothing moves from BLUE to RED.

29 posted on 08/25/2007 11:18:22 AM PDT by penowa
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And I think those Giuliani-haters who expect his supporters to gasp and go take a pill and lie down when they learn about his personal life and his anti-conservative positions are in for the same disappointment as those who thought Bill Clinton's initial run for the White House was doomed by his draft-dodging.

There were those who said that Clinton's draft-dodging was illustrative of a low moral character which would prove harmful to the country if he were elected. They were sure wrong, weren't they, Rudybots????

33 posted on 08/25/2007 11:33:08 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Is the author his mother?


62 posted on 08/25/2007 12:16:14 PM PDT by amihow
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On the one issue of our times he is Dead On. I am pro-life, but if there isn’t a pro-life candidate to vote for, I will vote for the one who is willing to fight for America.

Pray for W and Our Troops


63 posted on 08/25/2007 12:17:20 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: Clintonfatigued

His traction will last until Fred officially gets in the race. At that point, there will be a long slow slide into oblivian.


73 posted on 08/25/2007 12:30:55 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Clintonfatigued

A week or two ago, someone posted a perfect list (with back-up links, I think) for every reason not to vote for Rudi. I have searched everywhere, and can’t find it.

If anyone can remember it, could you post it here or FRmail it to me, please? I want to email it to a couple of fence sitters. Thanks!


77 posted on 08/25/2007 12:44:02 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Clintonfatigued
Well..... spike heels stuck in grating could be defined as traction, couldn’t it?
81 posted on 08/25/2007 1:02:04 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (What kind of lunatics murder their own babies to make the labor force dependent upon illegal aliens?)
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You need to add a "barf alert" to this one.

The author pretends that terrorism is a reason why people will support Giuliani, but terrorism is really a reason why people will not support Giuliani. One of the September 11 hijackers was pulled over for a traffic violation several in early 2001. The police officer saw that he was an illegal alien, but he let the hijacker go because no one took illegal immigration seriously. There was a very lax attitude towards people being in this country illegally, and one of the political leaders who cheered this attitude was Rudy Giuliani. He's not a solution to the terrorism threat. He's a part of the problem.

While the terrorists are unlikely to resort to more personal attacks against individuals, big threats drive people to take measures to increase their personal security. When I arrived home on September 11, I checked my guns even though nothing would suggest that I would ever need to shoot a terrorist. When people think of being threatened and being scared, they are not going to turn to a man who has said on national TV that private citizens should not be allowed to own handguns.

Rudy Giuliani cannot win the election. He can sometimes look good for a few minutes during a debate, but many conservatives hate him as much as we hate any Democrat. He is a liberal extremist on issues such as abortion and gun control. If he were a true moderate, maybe we could support him, but he's not. If he is nominated, the Republican party will collapse. The Democrats will not only win the presidency but they will also win a huge number of seats in Congress as many conservative voters simply refuse to vote on election day.

The absolute stupidest thing that the party could do is nominate Rudy Giuliani. I think the party is smart enough not to nominate Giuliani, and the writer's interpretation of the current situation is wrong. The Republican voters have had plenty of time to look at Giuliani. He's been running all year, and people know who he is and where he stands. There's a group of about 25% of Republicans who support him, but that group isn't growing. "Undecided" is still where most Republicans are, and if Giuliani had a good chance of winning these voters, he would have won them by now.

The voters have looked at John McCain and decided that he's not getting a chance at the nomination. He's falling in the polls and will not be in the "top tier" when people begin voting next year. Conservatives are waiting to see whether a second tier candidate rises to make a challenge or whether they will have to choose between Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson.

Bill

95 posted on 08/25/2007 4:05:24 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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the Giuliani candidacy is gaining, sinking mud-cleats into solid political support and grabbing traction.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Traction? Nope. Thompson and Hunter are gaining traction, much to the chagrin of the RNC, who see Rudy as their annointed one.

Rudy's mayoral politics have left him too dirty to be president. I mean, how many mafia connected cabinet officers would he appoint as president, like he tried with his nominee for Homeland Security Cheif, who now has been forced to leave the USA and cool his jets as a security consultant in Saudi Arabia?

No Rudy ain't gonna wash with the rank and file of the Republican party, who at convention time, will take their party back from the RINO Rooting RNC bean pushers.

Rudy reminds me of a former RNC annointee, Bob Dole. The party faithful went along with it and look what happened. Nope: its going to be Thompson/Hunter on the ticket.

And one more surprise. As Karl Rove has indicated, Hillary also will not be able to achieve the nomination of her party. She alo has a record which causes the American public to distrust her. If she had divorced BJ Clinton, she might have had a chance, but NOPE.

Joe Leiberman has a better chance of achieving the nomination of the Dem party, than Hillary Clinton, who has positioned herself with the far left, and now cannot ressurect herself as a seemingly moderate candidate.Also Hillary's record as a Congress Woman is abysmal. She achieved no significant legislation during her tenure as the "respected" Congresswoman from New York.

102 posted on 08/25/2007 6:15:05 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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why would he need to gain traction if he is already at the top?

He should be “expanding his lead” not “gaining traction.”

NOBODY should be gaining on him, least of all an undeclared candidate.

So with reality in contrast with spin, Guiliani seems to be trying to brace for a real race in what was promised to be a cakewalk for him. (why the new ad firm, the recent immigration flip flop..)


104 posted on 08/25/2007 6:20:19 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Clintonfatigued

The most ambitious and futile manipulation in American political life is the Left’s attempt to pretend other issues rank right up there with terrorism. They don’t.


The author nails it right there. And the anti-Rudy contingent still doesn’t understand this.


112 posted on 08/25/2007 10:58:23 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Clintonfatigued

Fred will squash Rudy on Sept. 5.


120 posted on 08/26/2007 4:28:36 AM PDT by hershey
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