H&k USP .45 Tacticle. It's shoots like a dream, and has lots of 'coolness' about it.
It's too big to conceal carry, but you WANT people to see a gun like this. hehe
Posted on 08/04/2007 10:30:58 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama
In the aftermath of the Petit family slayings in Cheshire, we all reached for explanations: How do human beings sink this low? How could this tragedy have been prevented? Why? There are so many nagging questions. They all need to be asked. And maybe some old arguments need to be hashed out again.
Why not a more stringent "three strikes and you're out" law in this state? Connecticut's version is so weak that it's more like "30 strikes and we'll think about it while you strike again."
Why not speed up the criminal trial process for repeat violent offenders? Get them off the streets. It's been proposed many times. Most people agree it should be done. It never happens.
Can't we better monitor the probation process?
Can't we do a better job of predicting -- figuring out which non-violent criminals are about to turn violent?
Are home alarms really effective?
How about dogs?
But somehow all of these ideas pale before the barbarity of this particular crime.
That is why one old question is worth asking again. It is this: What if the Second Amendment is for real? Is it possible that it should it be revered, just like the First Amendment?
Sam Ervin said, "The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." Maybe that applies to all of the Constitution.
Is it possible that the Second Amendment is not a quaint and antiquated remnant of a world that will never return, but an idea as relevant and sound today as when it was written?
Is it possible that we are not talking about the right of the government to form a militia when there is no standing army, but the right of the individual to defend himself, or herself, against both tyranny and lawlessness? Maybe we are talking about the right of self-defense -- the right of the individual to take up arms against a government that wants to oppress, be it foreign or domestic. And the right of the individual to defend himself against criminals, brutes, and barbarians when local police seem unable to stop them.
Might the Second Amendment matter almost as much as the First?
I think the answer is yes.
And just like the First, the Second is practical, newly relevant, and far wiser than the watered-down alternatives.
I don't think George Bush wants to impose martial law on his fellow citizens. But he has diluted habeas corpus. And he has enlarged Big Brother. You have to stop and think about a government that wants to control the thoughts and behavior of its people.
Should such a government be permitted to disarm them as well?
And whereas the reform of the criminal justice system along some of the lines suggested above (a real "three strikes" law and faster trials for violent offenders) would not have saved the lives of Jennifer, and Hayley, and Michaela Petit, a gun might have.
I don't say it would have.
I say it might have.
Had Dr. William Petit had access to a gun and known how to use it, he might have been able to dispatch the two perpetrators, who were armed with only an air gun and ropes.
Moreover, the three victims here were women.
What if Mrs. Hawke-Petit had been trained in the use of firearms? Suppose she had been able to get to a gun after her husband was beaten into unconsciousness by the invaders? Or when she was forced to take one captor to the bank to fetch him money?
It's worth thinking about.
Women and children are now the major targets of predators in our society. Government is not protecting them very well. Many professional women who work in cities know this and take courses in self-defense. A gun may be the only realistic self-defense against the sort of criminals we are talking about here.
And if a few women took care of a few thugs in cases like this; if a few stories like this one ended in a different way -- with a woman blowing one of these brutes to kingdom come -- it might be a deterrent. Lives upon lives might be spared.
A friend of mine said: "The gun nuts are back."
They are.
And they are right.
Mind you, we are talking about arming people who are trained and know how to use a weapon.
No one should have a gun who has not been trained.
Just as one gets training in handling a boat, motorcycle, or car, one must learn how to use and safely store a gun. (The National Rifle Association maintains an extensive national network of programs in firearms training and education.)
And, obviously, no one would be forced to own a gun.
A second caveat: Encouraging citizens to arm themselves is no "answer" to crimes like the Petit murders.
An "answer" does not exist.
But it is one of several remedies when we are faced with palpable evil.
All possible remedies should be on the table:
-- Various reforms of the justice system, like a real three-strike-law for predatory offenders.
-- Better psychological treatment for troubled youth.
-- Religious training, in both love and self-restraint, especially when people are young.
-- Prison programs that both retain the hard core and educate the educable.
-- More and better home alarm systems.
-- More cops visible in more neighborhoods.
-- Dobermans.
All of these approaches have merit.
So does self-defense.
None of these options "fix" a society that can produce human beings who torture and kill the defenseless for sport.
No one step or program can plug every hole in America's justice system, or its soul.
But there are times when a gun in the hands of a potential victim may save a life.
Let's admit -- since the murderers, and druggies, and psychos, and thieves already have guns -- that arming the peaceful, law-abiding, decent, and productive people, whether in a school, or a private home, or on the way to a parked car, is an option that also has merit.
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Keith C. Burris is editorial page editor of the Journal Inquirer.
Yeah, I am fine. I was about a quart low on blood as my right arm was a fountain and had to have a piece of shell casing dug out of my breastbone but other than that okay.
It was the thirteenth round out of a brand new and freshly cleaned, by a former Marine (TexasCowboy) using range bought factory Winchester ammo. Rather than considering a lawsuit against Springfield we sent the weapon back to them for examination to ascertain if they should recall the other 9,999 in the same batch. Springfield would not disclose the cause or discuss a recall. They did not do the knee jerk “pilot error” thing though.
Some jerk that went by the name humblegunner.
People never seem to grasp that a "three strikes" law only makes a criminal's third offense one which he is desperate to avoid conviction for...so desperate that he may commit murder to avoid it.
Are home alarms really effective?
NBC reported that many of the people that had burglar alarms didn't have them turned on. They reported it in a story about increased gun sales in Cheshire.
... with a woman blowing one of these brutes to kingdom come -- it might be a deterrent.
Amen...It'll be a great day in America when the nightly news has more stories about maimed would-be kidnappers than it does about kidnapped women's bodies being recovered.
All in all, I'd have been happy if either or both of these guys had been shot to death while commiting whatever crimes they were paroled for.
OUCH!
I would bet that you like my son who had a 22 blowup in his face, are a DEDICATED shooting glasses wearer.
As I wrote recently on another thread, the right to bear arms does not depend on the need for a militia; the existence of a militia depends on the right to bear arms.
I certainly hope they replaced the rifle. That's a pricey piece of hardware. It'd be more understandable if it were a CMP piece, but a Springfield...man oh man.
I did a CMP shoot a couple summers ago. They had a bunch of CMP surplus Garands and what seemed like cases and cases of surplus Mil-Spec black tip ammo.
I was going to shoot my M1A, but I just couldn't resist plucking a Garand off the rack. Now I just got to get around to actually relieving the Feds of one more piece of history.
Glad you're alright. Man were you lucky. That could have ended really badly.
They did not do the knee jerk “pilot error” thing though.
Mighty decent of them. Even more decent if the lack of explanation was accompanied by a new rifle.
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I remember that photo from back when it first was posted on the gun boards. It was a new Springfield M1, IIRC. Texas range, too - Houston area, maybe?
I don't recall the entire story, but it had something to do with a tight chamber, forcing the op rod into battery - something like that.
A legitimate question: WHY?
They also don’t bite your children, attack the neighborhood children, cost a fortune in vet bills, etc.
My dog is a pet who might bark, but only if someone managed to wake him up. Only my teenage children are harder to wake up and get moving than my good, old lazy dog. And I think that’s as it should be. I wouldn’t have a dog around who even MIGHT attack somebody because that’s a liability I don’t want. But, the Mossberg and the various Smith & Wessons around the house - those I can control and make proper use of.
I’m surprised he could hold the camera so steady.
Ain’t he the one you call Mr. MaGoo?
I'm glad to hear that Springfield didn't go into immediate "blame the operator" mode, but I'd be damned hesitant to put the replacement to my shoulder without an explanation of the cause.
I strongly believe in the use of dogs over guns. You send the dog first and if the intruder shoots at the dog, you then shoot him.
Guns scare me.
Maybe you just need to spend more time with them, get to know them as it were.
Actually guns scare me too, the wrong end of them pointed in my direction. A bad move on anyone’s part friend or foe.
My best to you.
tet.
Worth bumping.
Sam Ervin said, “The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey — undiluted and untaxed.”
Did you make that up? I think it is great.
I'd like to use that as my tagline -- if it wouldn't be stepping on anyone's toes.
H&k USP .45 Tacticle. It's shoots like a dream, and has lots of 'coolness' about it.
It's too big to conceal carry, but you WANT people to see a gun like this. hehe
TexasCowboy didn't want a new rifle as he was mortified that he felt that he had almost caused the death of a close friend. Springfield finally gave him a refund on the two that he had bought.
I did not mean to hijack the thread as I was joking with humblegunner about his tongue in cheek comment early on. The main thing is that instilled no fear of my favorite tools. My family and friends still shoot all that we can. My lovely wife and I both conceal carry and support the 2nd with all of our hearts.
If more people were killed by drills or pencils the nanny's would be trying to ban them too.
It was a very good camera ........ mine. He was not steady at all. He was glad it was me as he had fired the weapon just previous to me. ;<)
Ain’t he the one you call Mr. MaGoo?
Jim Rob has given me a list of things that I cannot call humble. Mr. MaGoo ain't on the list so maybe I did at one time!
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