Posted on 08/01/2007 11:01:53 AM PDT by mngran
Controversy continues to plague efforts to protect young women against cervical cancer by vaccinating them against HPV, the human papillomavirus, but one leading scientist's discovery could throw a monkey wrench into the debate.
"We found HPV under the fingernails of young men," said Dr. Laura Koutsky, a University of Washington epidemiologist.
Koutsky led some of the pioneering research and clinical trials that resulted in an HPV vaccine, Merck's Gardasil, recently approved for use in girls and young women. The reason her fingernail finding is a potential bombshell has to do with why the vaccine is controversial.
HPV, which is the leading cause of most cervical cancers, is primarily a sexually transmitted disease. Opponents of HPV vaccines believe that immunizing girls against this virus sends the message that engaging in sex at a young age is acceptable behavior.
The presence of HPV under fingernails, she said, at the very least suggests another possible route of transmission. It's an additional route of infection, she said, that could explain some previous apparent anomalies such as HPV infection in infants and young girls who had not yet engaged in sexual activity.
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What proper medical treatment do you suggest? It can go away on its own, but there’s no standard treatment for it.
Over 25 - they say it doesn’t work. Why? Not sure - could be something they found in the testing.
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Reminds me of the old, “What’s green and smells like pork? Kermit the Frog’s middle finger.”
Are you saying that the vaccine does not induce cellular and humeral factors that would prevent the viral infection of the female genital tract? I thought that was the point.
“Over 25 - they say it doesn’t work. Why? Not sure - could be something they found in the testing.”
It has something to do with cell types changing in the cervix. During puberty, the lining of the cervix changes from one cell type to another. This transition ends in the early twenties. Infection with HPV during the transition leads to cancer but not so after the transition is complete. That is the reason that having sex as a teen is a risk factor for cervical cancer.
you should surely agree that what may be good for society in general may not be good for the individual. Like my new born daughter who they wanted to inject Hep A vaccine and now Gardasil.
You are too tightly intertwined with using drugs for good to see that no vaccine is not without risk and is NOT necessary for the individual.
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The JW’s reversed their antivaccination doctrine (As well as many other doctrines) in the 1960’s. I’m not sure about the Seventh Day’s.
No. Most forms cover religious, ethical or personal reasons. An atheist can claim it is for ethical or personal reasons.
Did they give you a reason for Hep A? Other than "it says so right here"?
"My" link says I'm in Idaho. The link I provided to the California opt-out form says your broad brush generalization that vaccination is mandatory "in America" is false. Many states offer opt-out forms. I simply provided a concrete example.
Perhaps you need another example. Here is an example from Virginia. Care to spew about that one?
If you need a form for your state, start here
Research has clearly shown that HPVs are the major cause of cervical cancer. Studies also suggest that HPVs may cause a fraction of the cancers of the anus, vulva, vagina, and penis, and some cancers of the oropharynx (the middle part of the throat that includes the soft palate, the base of the tongue, and the tonsils).
Women who have many sexual partners have a higher chance of developing an HPV infection in the cervix. Infection with high-risk HPV types, specifically, increases the odds that a woman will develop cervical cancer. However, while HPV infections are very common, cervical cancer is not. The vast majority of HPV infections go away without treatment and do not cause cervical cancer. Studies suggest that development of cervical cancer depends on a variety of factors acting on women with high-risk HPVs. These cofactors include: smoking, having many children, long-term oral contraceptive use, and HIV infection.
Key Points
* Human papillomaviruses (HPVs) are a group of more than 100 types of viruses (see Question 1).
* Most HPV infections go away on their own (see Questions 1, 4, and 5)
* HPVs are the major cause of cervical cancer. HPVs may also play a role in cancers of the anus, vulva, vagina, and penis, and some cancers of the oropharynx (see Question 3).
* Although there is no cure for HPV infection, the warts and lesions these viruses cause can be treated (see Question 10).
* Researchers at the National Cancer Institute and elsewhere are conducting research on HPV-related cancers (see Question 11).
I remain skeptical -- particularly as yearly paps and GYN exams -- that are recommended --- catch CC as effectively. One of my fears is that women, having gotten the vax -- will slack off on the preventive exams, and STILL end up with CC.
Also, there is a LOT of misinformation. Merck is marketing this as a CANCER VACCINE, which it is not. Their commercials are fairly misleading in this regard.
Bottom line -- they only recently started studying the effects in the pop they want to vaccinate (pre menarche girls, starting at nine.)
I just don't have enough faith in Merck or the FDA to accept them at their word.
When it comes to big pharma and the Gov, let's just say I'm from Missouri.
I checked out your links. I see a religious ferver and see no need to argue with you.
Live your life and I pray enough of your neighbors are vaccinated to protect you and your children.
If you think I am spewing it is because I have had the misfortune of watching people die from preventable disease. I am very sad to see lawyers knocking out the support for a very successful national vaccination program.
I have never seen a case of human rabies, small pox, polio or even rubella all thanks to mandatory vaccination programs.
Smallpox vaccinations have been discontinued for a very long time. My last polio vaccination was via the oral vaccine on a sugar cube in 1961. It was part of the lot contaminated with Simian virus. Rabies vaccinations are rarely offered before an individual has actually been bitten. I had rubella in 1963. It wasn't pleasant at age 8, but not a disaster either. I had chicken pox at age 28. A little "gift" from folks at church. That was a miserable 2 weeks. All 3 of my sons caught it too. My wife was still immune after her case as a child.
Most of the vaccinations for childhood diseases have been successful and safe. The recent advent of vaccinations for hepatitis B didn't make sense for children. It does make sense for an emergency services worker who might perform mouth to mouth CPR without any isolation equipment. Other than that, the principal persons at risk are IV drug users, prostitutes and promiscuous gays.
Does Vioxx ring a bell? Followed by Arcoxia, which got rejected for heart-attack risk this past April? I don't have a dog in the fight, but I'd suggest diversifying those retirement holdings.
Also: It's "know-nothing."
And don't forget to take your regular meds.
>Most of the vaccinations for childhood diseases have been successful and safe. The recent advent of vaccinations for hepatitis B didn’t make sense for children. It does make sense for an emergency services worker who might perform mouth to mouth CPR without any isolation equipment. Other than that, the principal persons at risk are IV drug users, prostitutes and promiscuous gays.<
I’m not advocating childhood Hep B vaccination, But I see about a dozen people a year with needle sticks who do not work in the medical field. Usually they are cleaning people or garbage men that are stuck by improperly disposed of needles. In these cases we blow through about $1200 of HBIG and start them on the Hep B vaccination. Works well for those who report the stick but I’m sure there are many that don’t report it.
Hep B is kind of scary, it is very persistent in the environment and easy to catch. About 20 years ago there was a medical student doing the sharp dull examination with a safety pin and managed to infect several patients with Hep B.
I’ve had the Hep B vaccinations which probably makes me feel more comfortable with giving it to my children. However,I would be in favor in court mandated vaccination for adults known to be at high risk rather than sticking all the kids. Hep B is a very expensive disease to treat and frequently, the population at most risk are the least able to pay for the treatment.
No, I would not take a Merck product just based on their research methods and their track record. There are plenty of alternatives out there.
As far as not using the vaccine after 25-26, it may have to something to do with the build up of aluminum in the brain and other areas of the body.
According to The Alliance for Human Research Protection (AHRP) and the National Vaccine Center, the vaccine has not been proven safe and effective in clinical trials. The fact is that the FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo. They use this aluminum placebo because it can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial.
Furthermore the Gardasil vaccine contains 225 mcg of Aluminum and we know that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue.
The National Vaccine Center reported that around 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo suffered side effects such as headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia and the Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.
Because telling the truth about it would have meant threatened the "...just have sex whenever and however you want...it's perfectly fine as long as you use a condom..." campaign.
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