Ancient fossil forest found by accident (potential major out of order problem for Darwinists)

news@nature.com (via BioEd online) ^ | April 23, 2007 | Katharine Sanderson

[GodGunsGuts]

Geologists have found the remains of a huge underground rainforest hidden in a coal mine in Illinois. The fossil forest, buried by an earthquake 300 million years ago, contains giant versions of several plant types alive today.

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Also surprising is the presence of remains from mangrove-like plants. "It was always assumed that mangrove plants had evolved fairly recently," says Falcon-Lang.

[GodGunsGuts]

==Cant believe he admitted it.... well there goes his research grant for not following “the code”

A similar thought crossed my mind when I first read the article. I guess we can crack this up to great minds think alike!

[zencat]

If it were true, why are there still apes?

Separated populations. One of the populations needed to evolve for survival, one didn't.

[BJClinton]

humans generally don’t live with lions (because they are dangerous) therefore we don’t expect them to be buried with each other.

Humans and lions have been found in the same layer of strata. Maybe not snuggling like Seigfred and Roy with their kitties but still.

[AndyTheBear]

Just out of curiosity, have you read Dr. Humphreys book entitled “Starlight and Time.”

No.

...and all the rebuttals, and all his rebuttals to the rebuttals, and have concluded that his book can stand on its own two feet...

I am an acknowledged layman in physics and astronomy, and have only a B.S. in mathematics. My sense is that I'm not the best person to evaluate an apparent radical departure from current astrophysical models. Even if he is right on the money, and I take the time to verify and convince myself of this, I'm not sure what weight that would carry.

Even so, being a curious sort of person, I *might* take a look at it. Currently I'm reading some classical C.S. Lewis, specifically "The Abolition of Man".

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Well, either one of these approaches seem reasonable to me, since I can't accept young earth creationism or the idea that Genesis is a scientific/historical description of the Creation. I also can’t accept the dogmatic atheistic approach of natural selection as the sole mechanism of evolution, a la Richard Dawkins.

Perhaps they aren't true, but they seem more rational to me!! Food for thought and for bookmarking.

[SeaHawkFan]

Must have been one hell of an earthquake!

Possibly related to a flood?

[RFC_Gal]

In science theories have higher standing then laws.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Currently I'm reading some classical C.S. Lewis, specifically "The Abolition of Man".

Have you gotten to his SF 'Perelanda' trilogy, especially the final book, 'That Hideous Strength' -- very powerful condemnation of over-industrialized modern society with it's loss of traditional moral values.

[garbanzo]

don’t underestimate the evolutionist’s ability to change the theory to avoid falsification.

This is what we call "science" - the ability to change a theory when new facts demand it. In "religion", theories never change regardless of the facts.

[TASMANIANRED]

It is an attractive leaf...

[daku]

"Dinosaur fossils are often found in coal mines. If, as creationists contend, humans coexisted with dinosaurs then why aren’t human fossils ever found in coal mines?" because the humans trappped the dinos in the coal mines (/s)

[GodGunsGuts]

==Even so, being a curious sort of person, I *might* take a look at it. Currently I’m reading some classical C.S. Lewis, specifically “The Abolition of Man”.

Excellent book. I refer to it often and re-read it every couple of years.

Here’s a short video on “Starlight and Time” presented by the author...and a short piece on the rubuttles and the rebuttles to the rebuttles I was talking about, in case you’re interested—GGG

http://www.nwcreation.net/media/starlight_and_time.ram

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&page=446

[AndyTheBear]

Have you gotten to his SF 'Perelanda' trilogy, especially the final book, 'That Hideous Strength'

Not recently, but I once read the trilogy as a teenager after reading his Narnia books.

Currently I much prefer his nonfiction.

[AndyTheBear]

In "religion", theories never change regardless of the facts.

Aha! Then the reformation was just a hoax, apparently concocted to make Christianity seem less dogmatic.

[aruanan]

Dinosaur fossils are often found in coal mines. If, as creationists contend, humans coexisted with dinosaurs then why aren’t human fossils ever found in coal mines?

Actually, coal mines fairly fossil-poor compared to other places.

[mnehring]

Actually, in religion, dogma changes almost daily..

[garbanzo]

So which Christian factions no longer as a matter of official dogma believe in the divinity of Christ? Which are officially atheist? Which don't believe in the Resurrection or the Second Coming?

If dogma is changing daily, I don't seem to see it.

[garbanzo]

Then the reformation was just a hoax, apparently concocted to make Christianity seem less dogmatic.

If the Reformation happened, then why are there still Catholics?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Dinosaur fossils are often found in coal mines.

It is my understanding that coal was formed during the Carboniferous Era, long before the first dinosaurs. I believe that the vertebrate fossils found in coal generally are ancient amphibians and the very earliest reptiles.