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Did the Founding Fathers Really Get Many of Their Ideas of Liberty from the Iroquois?
HNN ^ | 7-11-05 | By Jack Rakove

Posted on 07/13/2007 9:11:02 AM PDT by kawaii

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this isn't very current but i'd heard this claim in another venue and i'm trying to figure out how many state schools teach this, and what facts are accurate
1 posted on 07/13/2007 9:11:03 AM PDT by kawaii
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To: Pharmboy; LS

Haven’t read this yet, but my revisionist history antennae are twitching. Searching for a large grain of salt ...


2 posted on 07/13/2007 9:14:13 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: kawaii

This was part of the NYS grade school civics curriculum by 1983 at the latest.


3 posted on 07/13/2007 9:16:30 AM PDT by wideawake (Paul, Tancredo, Conyers: Cowards of a feather abstain from voting together.)
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To: kawaii

I highly doubt that the founding fathers were wowed by the algonquin round table


4 posted on 07/13/2007 9:16:43 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: kawaii

Well, I’d first like to read the Great Law of Peace, to see what’s in it.


5 posted on 07/13/2007 9:17:58 AM PDT by Vinny (What is a liberal? Someone that is a friend of every country but his own.)
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To: kawaii

How does it really matter?


6 posted on 07/13/2007 9:20:23 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Since they left europe to form a new country based on these ideas before even meeting this indian tribe, I’d say his argument is wrong.

Also since the tribe was run by a chief in a structured way and not a democratic approach, I’d say he is wrong.


7 posted on 07/13/2007 9:20:24 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: stuartcr

i think if it’s a made up fairy tale and the schools teach it as fact it matters a lot.

would you like your children to be taught that aliens made the pyramids?


8 posted on 07/13/2007 9:21:40 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii

Anoter PC phantasm


9 posted on 07/13/2007 9:22:11 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Paris Hilton did more time than Sandy Berger.)
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To: Vinny

http://www.iroquoisdemocracy.pdx.edu/html/greatlaw.html


10 posted on 07/13/2007 9:23:03 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: mylife

The Iriquois, wyandot, huron and pequat were hardly inspirational.


11 posted on 07/13/2007 9:25:42 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: kawaii

How would anyone know what really influenced the writers?


12 posted on 07/13/2007 9:26:04 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: kawaii

Chingagook might disagree!


13 posted on 07/13/2007 9:26:13 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: kawaii

It’s an old thesis, and the answer is no.


14 posted on 07/13/2007 9:27:24 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: kawaii
"Did the Founding Fathers Really Get Many of Their Ideas of Liberty from the Iroquois?"

"This isn't very current but I'd heard this claim in another venue and I'm trying to figure out how many state schools teach this, and what facts are accurate."

Read the excellent recent biography of John Adams by David McCullough and you will find that John Adams himself was the Founding Father contributing much of the original concepts. Adams was classically educated and his concepts came from enlightened thinkers in Europe, particularly England and France.

The Iroquois were an especially gifted and organized people, but the notion that American concepts of freedom came from them is hogwash and nothing more than leftist and revisionist gobbledygook.

15 posted on 07/13/2007 9:27:59 AM PDT by tom h
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To: kawaii
Some of this stuff was, in fact, in my daughter's high school history book although it did concede that the European philosophers of the day such as Locke and Voltaire might have had some influence as well.

The one thing we should be able to agree upon was that our founding fathers put together a remarkable set of ideas which was opposed by the elitists and divine rightists then just as it is now, albeit under the color of different wording of their shallow arguments.

It is also worth noting that the Iroquois Confederation was the result of hundreds of years of internecine warfare long before the Europeans arrived. Such warfare has been repeated almost everywhere on the planet as the economic base moved from the hunter/gatherer phase to the herdsman/farmer phase. The Cherokee (included in my family heritage), generally considered to be the most civilized of tribes are so considered because they were one of the first to develop a written language. Guess where they got that idea?

16 posted on 07/13/2007 9:28:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: NonValueAdded
"... my revisionist history antennae are twitching."

I have to agree with you.

17 posted on 07/13/2007 9:29:18 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: kawaii
A new book devotes a whole chapter to this myth that's been taught our kids in the past few years.

33 Questions About American History You're Not Supposed to Ask, by Tom Woods.

Highly recommended.

18 posted on 07/13/2007 9:30:28 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: stuartcr

their numerous writings outside the constitution rife with quotes from enlightment philosophers, and allusions to freemasonry perhaps?


19 posted on 07/13/2007 9:31:06 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii

I thought they got the inspiration from Pogo.


20 posted on 07/13/2007 9:32:30 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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