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this isn't very current but i'd heard this claim in another venue and i'm trying to figure out how many state schools teach this, and what facts are accurate
1 posted on 07/13/2007 9:11:03 AM PDT by kawaii
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Haven’t read this yet, but my revisionist history antennae are twitching. Searching for a large grain of salt ...


2 posted on 07/13/2007 9:14:13 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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This was part of the NYS grade school civics curriculum by 1983 at the latest.


3 posted on 07/13/2007 9:16:30 AM PDT by wideawake (Paul, Tancredo, Conyers: Cowards of a feather abstain from voting together.)
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I highly doubt that the founding fathers were wowed by the algonquin round table


4 posted on 07/13/2007 9:16:43 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Well, I’d first like to read the Great Law of Peace, to see what’s in it.


5 posted on 07/13/2007 9:17:58 AM PDT by Vinny (What is a liberal? Someone that is a friend of every country but his own.)
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How does it really matter?


6 posted on 07/13/2007 9:20:23 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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Anoter PC phantasm


9 posted on 07/13/2007 9:22:11 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Paris Hilton did more time than Sandy Berger.)
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Chingagook might disagree!


13 posted on 07/13/2007 9:26:13 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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It’s an old thesis, and the answer is no.


14 posted on 07/13/2007 9:27:24 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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"Did the Founding Fathers Really Get Many of Their Ideas of Liberty from the Iroquois?"

"This isn't very current but I'd heard this claim in another venue and I'm trying to figure out how many state schools teach this, and what facts are accurate."

Read the excellent recent biography of John Adams by David McCullough and you will find that John Adams himself was the Founding Father contributing much of the original concepts. Adams was classically educated and his concepts came from enlightened thinkers in Europe, particularly England and France.

The Iroquois were an especially gifted and organized people, but the notion that American concepts of freedom came from them is hogwash and nothing more than leftist and revisionist gobbledygook.

15 posted on 07/13/2007 9:27:59 AM PDT by tom h
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Some of this stuff was, in fact, in my daughter's high school history book although it did concede that the European philosophers of the day such as Locke and Voltaire might have had some influence as well.

The one thing we should be able to agree upon was that our founding fathers put together a remarkable set of ideas which was opposed by the elitists and divine rightists then just as it is now, albeit under the color of different wording of their shallow arguments.

It is also worth noting that the Iroquois Confederation was the result of hundreds of years of internecine warfare long before the Europeans arrived. Such warfare has been repeated almost everywhere on the planet as the economic base moved from the hunter/gatherer phase to the herdsman/farmer phase. The Cherokee (included in my family heritage), generally considered to be the most civilized of tribes are so considered because they were one of the first to develop a written language. Guess where they got that idea?

16 posted on 07/13/2007 9:28:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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A new book devotes a whole chapter to this myth that's been taught our kids in the past few years.

33 Questions About American History You're Not Supposed to Ask, by Tom Woods.

Highly recommended.

18 posted on 07/13/2007 9:30:28 AM PDT by logician2u
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I thought they got the inspiration from Pogo.


20 posted on 07/13/2007 9:32:30 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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Can anyone tell me the names of the 7 Iroquois nations?
Its been a while since I was in grade school


21 posted on 07/13/2007 9:32:33 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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This smells like a crock of bullshite. The English colonists first interacted with Algonquins, not Iroquois. If the Founding Fathers derived any sort of foundational political ideas from the indians, those ideas would be Algonquin ones, not Iroquois ones. The Algonquins and the Iroquois were enemies.
22 posted on 07/13/2007 9:33:00 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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I don't hink Russell Kirk mentions them in The Roots of American Order.
24 posted on 07/13/2007 9:34:38 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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Did the Founding Fathers Really Get Many of Their Ideas of Liberty from the Iroquois?

They got their ideas from Dead White Men: the Bible, the Greek model of democracy, and English common law.

25 posted on 07/13/2007 9:34:51 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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The Magna Carta, The Mayflower Compact, The Federalist Papers, as well as several of the Colonies Constitutions are the seminal source documents to our Republic. The Proceedings and transcripts to the Constitutional Convention further layout how our Constitution was constructed.

The Iroquois Confederation probably had a bigger impact on the formation of Canada than the US.

26 posted on 07/13/2007 9:35:33 AM PDT by AU72 (`)
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PC doody. I am sure the Indians had some interesting customs and ideas. But this person has never heard of the Enlightenment and its luminaries, John Locke, whose writings were the basis for the Declaration of Independence; Voltaire, paging Voltaire, freedom of speech was his idea; Montesquieu, whose insights basically framed the Constitution. The Founding Fathers were well schooled in the thinking of the Enlightenment and familiar with those thinkers. Any input the Iroquois might have had would be secondary or tertiary to concepts of the European Enlightenment.


32 posted on 07/13/2007 9:41:00 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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Did the Founding Fathers Really Get Many of Their Ideas of Liberty from the Iroquois?

No.

This subject is a conflicting one, since answering the question in any substantive way gives credence to a truly stupid notion.

This is strictly in the "anything is possible" school of speculation, where the ignorant, the marginally insane and the demagogues dwell. It dovetails beautifully with the silly "All cultures are equal" school of discussion.

Only the ignorant, the marginally literate and culturally clueless would spend more than a few seconds pondering the possibility of the statement.

36 posted on 07/13/2007 9:44:43 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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"Did the Founding Fathers Really Get Many of Their Ideas of Liberty from the Iroquois?

No, but maybe the Jihad i's have read some Iroquois history taken a few pointers of how to murder and mutilate human beings in the most gruesome ways possible.

The revisionist history that is infesting this country is disgusting.

38 posted on 07/13/2007 9:45:46 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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