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Surprises in sea anemone genome (More Vindication for Intelligent Design/Creation Science)
The Scientist ^ | July 5, 2007 | Melissa Lee Phillips

Posted on 07/06/2007 11:20:54 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

The study also found that these similarities were absent from fruit fly and nematode genomes, contradicting the widely held belief that organisms become more complex through evolution. The findings suggest that the ancestral animal genome was quite complex, and fly and worm genomes lost some of that intricacy as they evolved.

It’s surprising to find such a “high level of genomic complexity in a supposedly primitive animal such as the sea anemone,” Koonin told The Scientist. It implies that the ancestral animal “was already extremely highly complex, at least in terms of its genomic organization and regulatory and signal transduction circuits, if not necessarily morphologically.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creationscience; crevo; darwinism; evolution; fsmdidit; genome; id; intelligentdesign; seaanenome
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To: GodGunsGuts

Geology is all wrong too - diamonds are really the tears of Jesus.


61 posted on 07/06/2007 12:53:49 PM PDT by PC99
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To: Shryke
I am simply trying to keep a baby Chameleon alive, but he is limited by his natural abilities. After paying $350 for this little baby, I will do anything possible to help him adapt to his new environment.

Many very smart Freepers keep telling me that my Intelligence can alter his DNA, and insure that he will adapt and survive.

HOW CAN I USE MY INTELLIGENCE TO ALTER HIS DNA?

Many Freepers tell me that the concept of evolution is false, and that his talents to eat were only obtained because some intelligence was able to tailor his abilities.

So, are Freepers lying to me and my Chameleon only has his inherited DNA abilities, or can I do something to alter his DNA to make him adapt better?

62 posted on 07/06/2007 12:55:29 PM PDT by Hunble (Islam is God's punishment!)
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To: Caesar Soze

==Why, then, is Darwin’s house alone among these examples a literal religious shrine?

These statements are being made by hardcore materialists who have let their gaurd down (I thought the Dawkins’ quote was even better in terms of unmasking their religious devotion to their natural selection god). I wouldn’t have such a problem with it if the Darwinists allowed their so-called theory to be tested in the free market of scientific ideas. But as it stands now, the Church of Darwin is relying on the force of government to control the ideology of science. Indeed, I find this to be one of the most important aspects of the current war between ID/CS and the Church of Darwin.


63 posted on 07/06/2007 12:58:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
HOW CAN I USE MY INTELLIGENCE TO ALTER HIS DNA?
64 posted on 07/06/2007 1:01:47 PM PDT by Hunble (Islam is God's punishment!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
It would totally change the way we think about biology, origins, disease, etc.

What does that mean? Everything we are currently doing is wrong? Please be more specific.

65 posted on 07/06/2007 1:03:28 PM PDT by Shryke
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To: GodGunsGuts

There is a basically wrong assumption here, and reflects the bias of the investigator. Highly evolved does not necessarily mean highly complex. Sometimes simplification is the improvement over the previous highly complex organization.

Improved almost always beats out the primitive.


66 posted on 07/06/2007 1:03:59 PM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: Hunble

I do not think that “Intelligent Design” means what you think it means.


67 posted on 07/06/2007 1:04:01 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: Hunble

==HOW CAN I USE MY INTELLIGENCE TO ALTER HIS DNA?

Whose DNA?


68 posted on 07/06/2007 1:07:08 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Coyoteman

Darwin on progress:

“After long reflection, I cannot avoid the conviction that no innate tendency to progressive development exists”

Charles Darwin, December 4 1872.
Letter to the American paleontologist Alpheus Hyatt.


69 posted on 07/06/2007 1:08:23 PM PDT by js1138
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To: RightWhale
That's a new one.

I am referring to Darwin's idea that beneficial genetic mutations to a species are completely random, rather than an act of God.

70 posted on 07/06/2007 1:09:36 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (Fred!)
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To: PC99
Geology is all wrong too - diamonds are really the tears of Jesus.

Thunder is the angels bowling.

71 posted on 07/06/2007 1:10:33 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (Fred!)
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To: alloysteel
Are you saying that Darwinian natural selection is untestable/can be adapted to prove anything??? What in your opinion would definitively falsify Darwinian evolution?
72 posted on 07/06/2007 1:11:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
But most of what IDers discover re: molecular biology will vindicated both ID and Creation Science.

This (the present article) doesn't. This only makes sense as an argument for "front loading" if you first accept that animals ARE all related by common descent, which contradicts "Creation Science". If you reject common descent then this only shows that the "designer" reused code in some particular pattern. But a priori the designer might have reused code in any particular pattern, or multiple patterns, or no particular pattern.

73 posted on 07/06/2007 1:15:30 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
But I’m sure the Church of Darwin will simply amend their “theory” in order to fit the facts, just like the geocentrists were forced to invent epicycles to give life support to the dying embers of geocentrism.

And what would you have them do. Ignore the facts when they contradict the theory? This is the scientific process at work. Theories are constantly tested and when evidence supports a new theory then that is accepted.

How do you test intelligent design anyway?

74 posted on 07/06/2007 1:16:07 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Whose DNA?

Did you read my most recent posts? I was asking our smartest Freepers on how to apply the concept of Intelligent Design to best help my baby Chameleon alive in his new environment.

I learned from Wicca over 35 years ago, how I can cure a critter from an illness and keep it alive. Yes, I strongly believe (and know) that intelligence can be used to help a critter that is sick.

I WAS CURIOUS, IF YOU KNEW HOW TO DO THAT ALSO?

As I have said many time, I remain neutral on this issue, but demand that everyone keep their facts honest.

75 posted on 07/06/2007 1:19:32 PM PDT by Hunble (Islam is God's punishment!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Question: How does life start off complex?

If you study language, it works the same way, started off very complex yet uniform, the devolves.

Homeric Greek - Very complex
Koinie Greek - Less complex
Modern Greek - dumbed down, all prepositions

This is the same for all languages, save one, Hebrew.
76 posted on 07/06/2007 1:19:39 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: GodGunsGuts
What in your opinion would definitively falsify Darwinian evolution?

Finding fossils sorted in the strata according to density rather than in a pattern that supports descent with modification. That would be good evidence against evolution.

77 posted on 07/06/2007 1:22:17 PM PDT by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts
So then you accept common ancestry for animals generally?

Me? Personally?

Yeah. I get the impression you're a special creationist type, i.e. one who thinks that most "kinds" of living things were separately created, but you keep posting these articles, like the present one, that only provide evidence of anything on the premise that common descent is true.

So I just wondered. Maybe I read you wrong and you do believe in common descent.

78 posted on 07/06/2007 1:22:57 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis

I don’t want to put words in their mouth, but I imagine that creationists would contend that the created kinds were frontloaded (complete with the capacity for variation) at the time of their creation.


79 posted on 07/06/2007 1:23:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Biologist also believe that the earliest living things (however they arose) had the capacity for variation.


80 posted on 07/06/2007 1:25:28 PM PDT by js1138
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