Turkish troops chase Kurdish guerrillas in Iraq

MSNBC ^ | 06/06/07 | unknown

[Lurker]

ANKARA, Turkey - Several thousand Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq early Wednesday to chase Kurdish guerrillas who operate from bases there, Turkish security officials told The Associated Press.

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[Turk2]

Noone is attacking the Kurds you ignorant fool. The PKK is a terrorist organization based in northern Iraq and Turkey has the right to take whaever measures are necessary to stop its actions.

[Jacob Kell]

The PKK sure as hell aren’t our allies. They’re a communist terrorist organization that used to be backed by the Soviet Bloc and the PLO.

[Jacob Kell]

The PKK, in case you forgot, is NOT our friends. They are a communist terrorist organization that used to be backed by the PLO and the Soviet Bloc.

[M. Espinola]

"Noone is attacking the Kurds you ignorant fool."

Sure, responding in the same way when Turkey is asked about the Armenian genocide, always deny, deny, deny.

I suppose those Iranian weapons in that Turkish train are also a lie.

Turkish troops 'chase Kurds in Iraq'

Turkish officials say troops enter Iraq

"One Turkish security official said 600 commandos entered Iraq before dawn after Kurdish rebels shot at Turkish patrols near the Turkish border town of Cukurca. The commandos returned to Turkey later in the day, the official said."

"Two other officials said troops went less than two miles into a remote, mountainous area in Iraq."

Have a nice lie - turkey.

[eleni121]

What are you blabbering about? Greece has been an ally of the US and the West every time their services has been called upon. Kissinger unleashed the Muslim Turkeys on Cyprus. The horror of Cyprus can be laid squarely on the state dept...a master of making mistakes time and again.

As for the kurds...yes they have been stabbed in the back before by the west...and this time they are trying once again to see if we will back them to the end. Turkeystan has already made the mistake of not supporting us even though we have shipped their sorry asses billions and billions in arms!

That has to end. The breakup of the unnatural Para state of turkeystan has to happen. I bet on the Kurds to do it.

[M. Espinola]

I fully realize the PPK are commies and could never be trusted, however, think if American and all other Coalition troops departed from Iraq, the Turks would flood over the northern Iraqi border butchering all Kurds. The Iranians & Syrians would pour over Iraq's other bordering areas as well.

We have enough problems in Iraq with the Turks running weapons for the Iranians.

[L.M.H.]

There is an important distinction between the Kurds as a whole, and terrorist Kurds, aka, the Marxist PKK. The Turkish military has been going after the Kurdish terrorists in Iraqi Kurdistan, not all of the Kurds.

The PKK has been attacking, bombing and murdering both Turkish civilians and foreign tourists (such as the British), for the past 30 years. Their attacks have been getting worse over the past year, and they attack Turkey out of their strongholds in Iraq. And the local Iraqi Kurdish population isn’t doing much to stop them.

That is what the Turkey cares about - trying to stop the terrorist attacks on their civilians and tourists - not some weapons on a train. (Turks themselves have stopped arms shipments from Iran numerous times before.)

[Atlantic Bridge]

You were allies with the Turkeys in WWII and you had them doing some of your dirty bloody work in the balkans in WWII.

BS.

Turkey remained NEUTRAL during WWII. Of course they were checking several possibilities but never ever acted as an ally of Germany in that time. The allies of Germany in the so called "axis" consisted of Italy and Japan.

Wiki History of Turkey

Maybe your “sensitive” Eurabia nation can bring a few million more Turkey Muslims to mate your females. You know -—show a little compassion to refugees...

Your argumentation shows your dumb primitivism. You should know anyway that girls with Turkish ancestry living in Germany today are quite beautiful and that they also start to mate our males... It is logical that they -just like young Turkish men- mix up with our population sonner or later. A most human attitude. BTW - Eurabia is nothing but a funny propaganda joke. We have some 3.7% muslims among our German population (simply check the CIA factbook). This makes people with Turkish heritage an important but not a decisive factor. Since Turkish women do not have much more kids than their German sisters and the contemporary immigration is practially zero the contingent of Turks/Muslims in our society is exactly the same since 25 years.

[The Pack Knight]

Hah, I got hit from both sides on that one.

I was unduly hard on Greece by stating that they were "no better". They did not support our action in Iraq and acted against it politically, but this is a far cry from the material damage to our efforts done by Turkey. I suppose we didn't invoke the NAT, and probably had no grounds to do so, so their refusal to participate in the invasion was their business. So I stand corrected, even if I'm still not totally pleased with Greece's conduct during this affair.

Also, Cyprus is probably too big a mess to be playing carrot-and-stick with, anyway. It probably would have been best if the Brits just kept it. We should certainly take a dimmer view of Turkey's interests there and in the rest of the Aegean in the future.

[ken21]

the turds would just love a spoiler,

and to bump re-start the ottoman empire.

[Atlantic Bridge]

Greece has been an ally of the US and the West every time their services has been called upon.

BuHuHaHa! Remember him?

If you give us such allies we do not need enemies anymore. :)))

[Atlantic Bridge]

I fully realize the PPK are commies and could never be trusted, however, think if American and all other Coalition troops departed from Iraq, the Turks would flood over the northern Iraqi border butchering all Kurds. The Iranians & Syrians would pour over Iraq's other bordering areas as well.

It is indeed the biggest problem in that area that the Iraqi state will not be survivable in the next few years. The current "leadership" is unable to act apart of its own interests. Furthermore I doubt that there is enough political will in your country left to push this operation really through since the benefit of this war -apart of Saddam's overthrow- is quite limited so far. We all hoped that Iraq would be able to stand on its own feet soon because of its oil resources. This is definitly not the case and was a wrong assumption.

Therefore I think it would be better to arrange some things in a reasonable way with the Turks together instead of pulling out abruptly (i.e. after a political change in the US) and leaving the Kurds and other Iraqis without any protection. Now there is still enough time to do that left. Neither Turkey nor the Iranians will accept a independent "Kurdistan" for understandable reasons. They have to deal with strong Kurdish minorities on their own territory and want to avoid any new motivation to the old Kurdish dream of secession. Therefore they will indeed annex those areas if America should leave Iraq in the next years. Personally I think it is much better if the Turks will control northern Iraq to American terms and conditions than the Iranians will do that to Iranian conditions.

Greetings from Lake Constance / Germany. A.B.

[eleni121]

AS far as I’m concerned we are cleaning up Britain’s dirty business from the past.

Their imperialistic ventures have left nothing but problems in most third world places. They displayed little loyalty to their fellow Christian brothers and sisters and allowed them to languish in captivity for hundreds of years. Instead the Brits allowed the turks to show their depravity against the Christians in the balkans/Mid east and now allow Muslims from all over the former colonies to migrate to England turning it into an islamic breeding ground for terror. Yeah...a real good ally.

During the Clintonista bombing of Serbia at Easter...the Brits played along with that disastrous move. No wonder the Greeks did not fully support the Iraqi incursion. And look what has happened? The Assyrian Christians are virtually under siege suffering beheadings, ravages too horrible to mention. They support the most wrong headed policy in a hundred years...allowing Kosovo independence! Amazingly stupid and self destructive!

[eleni121]

He’s gone. Finally. The most amazingly bad politician in generations. Almost as bad as some of his fellow German and US socialists. But remember this: he would never have risen to power had Cyprus not been given to the Turkeys by the US and NATO. That was the last straw to the Greeks and Papandreou took advantage of it.

[Turk2]

So you say that the PKK represents all Kurds then? There are no Kurdish rebels, there are PKK terrorists and terrorists need to be dealt with in the language they understand. That language is not Kurdish, its NAPALM.

[Americanexpat]

Thge Kurds are vwry brave, tough and have the heart. But they couldn´t hit the broadside of a barn with an AK if they were standing inside it. I know, I worked with them.

[noname07718]

I wasn’t aware that they were that inept. That casts all of the players and their potential for mischief in the region in a whole new light. Thank you for the new perspective.

Have a great weekend.

Tom

[M. Espinola]

I believe if the Turks felt there would be little or no meaning repercussions they would attack all the Kurds in Iraq.

The Kurds assisted US against al-Qaida terrorists and Saddam's thugs, even though after the 1st Gulf War they were abandoned to Saddam's murderers.

Turkey warns Iraqi Kurds not to harm its monitors

[M. Espinola]

It is indeed the biggest problem in that area that the Iraqi state will not be survivable in the next few years. The current "leadership" is unable to act apart of its own interests. Furthermore I doubt that there is enough political will in your country left to push this operation really through since the benefit of this war -apart of Saddam's overthrow- is quite limited so far. We all hoped that Iraq would be able to stand on its own feet soon because of its oil resources. This is definitly not the case and was a wrong assumption.

I agree with your overview. Do you believe if Syria & Iran were totally prevented (via complete régime alterations), from arming & funding the Iraqi Shi'ites, plus the Wahhabist Saudis were also prevented from funding the Sunnis - Iraq would not be in the current state of daily civil chaos, death & bedlam in the predominantly Iraqi Shi'ite and Sunni regions of the nation. However Iraqi Kurdistan had been relatively free of jihadist infiltrators triggering acts of either Sunni or Shi'ite related terrorism directed at Kurdish 'targets' until recently.

When Iraqi Kurdistan was semi-protected under the no-fly zone, prior to Saddam's downfall, it was the only section of Iraq which actually advanced economically.

In terms of Iraqi oil both Iran's Shi'ite gangs, plus Wahhabist Al-Qaida infiltrated killers have been sabotaging the Iraqi petroleum infrastructure, seriously damaging a normal consistent flow of Iraq's oil to foreign customers.

Iranian and the Saudi crude oil freely flows to overseas customers, earning both Islamic dictatorships billions, out of which millions continue funding the inter-Islamic Iraqi civil war - with our troops right in the middle.

Oil related profits also fund & arm al-Qaida & Taliban jihadists who continue murdering our men & other participating armed forces combating Islamic jihad. Hamas, Hezballah plus other Islamic related terrorist groups also receive Saudi Wahhabist, and or Iranian 'financial donations' to further their Islamic brand of anti-Western global jihad.

Returning to the Iraqi Kurds, we do not read of "Kurdish terrorists" self-detonating in cars slaughtering scores of innocent victims, or attacking American nor other Coalition forces. Kurds in northern Iraq are not parading in the streets screaming "Death to the infidels!" or "Jihad is our way!". The Kurds are the one Iraqi segment which deserves our support and protection from jihadists or Turks attempting to settle historical scores, just the way Ottoman Turks did against the Armenians.

I understand what you are saying, nevertheless I just don't trust those Islamic Turks.

[M. Espinola]

"So you say that the PKK represents all Kurds then?"

No, you keep spreading that Turkish disinformation, not I.

"There are no Kurdish rebels, there are PKK terrorists and terrorists need to be dealt with in the language they understand. That language is not Kurdish, its NAPALM."

I bet you love to exterminate all Kurds, and how about those Armenians? The question I asked you before, you Muslim Turks always avoid like the bubonic plague when it comes to what Turks did to the Armenians.

If it ever came down to total, absolute, jihad against the West, the majority of Sunni Turks will stand with their 'Muslim brothers'.