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Peggy Noonan and The WSJ Editorial - It's Time to Revolt!
Red State ^ | June 1, 2007

Posted on 06/01/2007 5:41:16 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

However, now I do not feel alone. Peggy Noonan has a new column up in the Wall Street Journal Opinion Journal. She has clearly said what has been getting me down. I think I knew what was up, but couldn't put a finger on it. I knew it centered around the immigration debate, and the way our congressional leaders are behaving. That sentiment especially includes Mr. Bush too, but when I read this column, I felt like Charlie Brown yelling at Lucy at her Psychology booth when he yells, "That's it!" when trying to identify why he can't get into the Christmas spirit.

Try this clip on for size :

The White House doesn't need its traditional supporters anymore, because its problems are way beyond being solved by the base. And the people in the administration don't even much like the base. Desperate straits have left them liberated, and they are acting out their disdain. Leading Democrats often think their base is slightly mad but at least their heart is in the right place. This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place.

For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don't like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.

But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad."

The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic--they "don't want to do what's right for America." His ally Sen. Lindsey Graham has said,

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; bbs; bds; crimaliens; deathofthegop; holierthanthou; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; invasion; noamnestyforillegals; noonan; peggyisrighton; zerovisa
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To: kara37
"I don’t think they will learn anything from the 2008 election either."

maybe that's all in the grand plan to make North America one big old happy family .

161 posted on 06/01/2007 8:14:35 PM PDT by cherry
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To: rolling_stone

...try repealing amnesty and we may have a war.....
you lost me, as fun as Bush bushing can be, nothinh happens unless Congress goes along, you know, Harry and Nancy`s gangs


162 posted on 06/01/2007 8:15:45 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: Paperdoll

Where ? And what about NAFTA,CAFTA and the NAU?


163 posted on 06/01/2007 8:16:10 PM PDT by RichardMoore (gohunter08.com)
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To: jveritas
There is no method we can use to make them leave, just understand it.

So Mexico can get them all to leave voluntarily, but we can't.

Welcome to Can't-Do America....

164 posted on 06/01/2007 8:18:50 PM PDT by kevao
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To: TomGuy

Exactly my point, Fred is a gloabalist and these folks here are desperate for someone that they recognise from TV. That’s all it is. We get the leaders, or lack of, that we deserve.


165 posted on 06/01/2007 8:18:53 PM PDT by RichardMoore (gohunter08.com)
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To: jveritas

...There is no method we can use to make them leave, just understand it. Jailing and fining the employers will not work either, period......

LOL raise the white flag of surrender then and declare the US an open border country- all are welcome. If the govt can’t stop illegal immigration then we are not a sovereign nation. If they need to take drastic measures then we need to take drastic measures, unless of course you prefer the alternative. How many times will we have to give amnesty? Historicaly it does not work.

I laugh when I see an illegal wearing a T shirt that shows the Mexican Revolutionary Emiliano Zapata and says - “better to die on your feet than live on your knees” And here this illegal abandoned his country and came to the US instead of battling his corrupt country. Sounds like you are of the same persuasion.


166 posted on 06/01/2007 8:19:03 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Antoninus

..if the CP would dump their paleo-con isolationism in foreign policy, I would strongly consider a jump...


167 posted on 06/01/2007 8:20:04 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: PeterFinn

“Bush can go pound sand. I supported that jerk at the protests in 2000 and then I campaigned for the SOB in 2004 only to have him turn around and call ME unpatriotic because I don’t support illegal immigration? F*** him.”

Double-Bump...I was there, too.


168 posted on 06/01/2007 8:20:20 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: TomGuy
"Illegal immigrants still currently enter the U.S. at an estimated rate of 300,000 per year. Seven million illegal immigrants are currently estimated to be living in the U.S."

My god, more than yhat are coming in every month. The border patrol said a few days ago that 6,000 are coming in daily and they are catching 1/3 of them.

There probably are 40 to 50 million here.

169 posted on 06/01/2007 8:21:44 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: meema

And yet the folks on this site have been touting him for years as our last hope. “We get 52 choices for Miss America and only 2 for president of the USA”(Jay Leno) Our comedians are smarter than our politicians. Heck, they still think that we are causing global warming.


170 posted on 06/01/2007 8:22:23 PM PDT by RichardMoore (gohunter08.com)
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To: jveritas
So that is what you want. Impeach the President in times of war and give the terrorists their ultimate victory and make the democrats so very happy.

The "War on Terror" which this admin has fought so pathetically on the home front--is not worth fighting if we're just going to hand over the country to an illegal horde.

That's what the '87 bill did---the one that was supposed to solve this problem FOREVER. Instead, we ended up with a problem 10 times worse 20 years later. There's no way I trust the creeps in DC to solve it this time either.

They are trying to fundamentally change this country without the consent of the people they purportedly represent. And in my opinion, that's tyranny.
171 posted on 06/01/2007 8:22:51 PM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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To: jveritas

This issue is rather not about voting, but most essentially about invasion by an arrogant and offensive migration. We, many of the the People of the United States, are saying “NO!” to this quasi-amnesty. We also emphasize that we do not benefit from this manner of diversity.


172 posted on 06/01/2007 8:25:07 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Surely some conservatively qualified advisor to Pres Bush is whispering to him at his very moment, that if he doesn’t veto this amnesty bill, all hell is gonna break loose.


173 posted on 06/01/2007 8:25:08 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: rolling_stone

We can for sure increase greatly the borders enforcement to greatly reduce the flood of illegal immigrants. However for those illegal immigrants who are here, they are here to stay period and no one can remove them directly or indirectly. So give them work visa, renewable every 3 years with a fine, but no path to citizenship as long as they are here on working visa, and none of those on working visa can have access to welfare.


174 posted on 06/01/2007 8:26:39 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
..before you go, do me a favor

When you go back to WideAwakes tell my friends OhioWFan and Onyx hello...

I wanted to say that before the hammer falls...

175 posted on 06/01/2007 8:27:15 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: livius
Thanks, guys.

For supporting an asshole like Bush?
176 posted on 06/01/2007 8:27:40 PM PDT by newguy357
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To: TomGuy

“many are projected what they want Thompson to be, not what he actually is.’

I hope he’s not a political Rorshach test where we all see what we want to see. However, I’ve read a lot of his position papers and he’s scratches my itch. If others who feel the same have also read his articles, we may have a winner.


177 posted on 06/01/2007 8:28:12 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: jveritas
Our side need to stop this stupid and unrealistic scare tactic about millions of new voters in the democrat party and make it look like it is happening in 2008, where in reality the vast majority of illegal immigrants will not become US citizen and those small minority who will become US citizens are not going to become so before 2017 i.e they will not be eligible to vote before the 2020 elections. Besides the participation of Latinos in voting has been always historically small.

If you believe that, you're simply naive. You do realize that in many states, you don't even have to show ID to vote. In others, even a driver's licence will do.

If you think these people won't vote in large numbers, you're crazy. The left is already trying to mobilize them.

But to be honest, that's not what irks me the most about this nonsense. What really and truly gets under my skin is that these law-breakers are going to be rewarded for breaking the law. When you reward bad behavior, it only spurs more bad behavior. And I have absolutely NO confidence that the Feds will suddenly get serious about border enforcement once this travesty is past. In 20 years, President Jeb Bush will be pushing yet another amnesty bill, this time for 50 million illegals.

God help us if we're that stupid.
178 posted on 06/01/2007 8:28:22 PM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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To: kevao

Tell me how can you force them to leave. Fine and jail the employer? Most of the illegal immigrants work for small businesses and no President and no government is going to go after those small businesses because they hire illegal immigrants. It is not going to happen.


179 posted on 06/01/2007 8:29:39 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: JRochelle
Rest assured, Jeb will never ever have a chance.

Good. The entire Bush clan can migrate to Mexico or Saudi Arabia, either of the countries they support more energetically than the U.S. I'll even contribute to their (one-way) travel expenses.
180 posted on 06/01/2007 8:29:58 PM PDT by newguy357
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