The GOP has left me.

Self | Juse 1, 2007 | Natural Law

[Natural Law]

I am really getting sick of the "Whiny Bitch" wing of the GOP blaming its conservative base for losing control of both houses and now undermining the party further by not continuing to fund or vote for a more slow descent into socialism. This shows a complete lack of integrity on their part.

I for one refuse to vote for a Democrat, even when they call themselves a Republican, no especially when they call themselves a Republican. In fact, I would vote for a Democrat before I would a RINO because they at least have the integrity to admit to what they are. I for damned sure refuse to give them any campaign contributions when they have demonstrated that they can't manage the tax dollars they collect in the trillions.

Ronald Reagan, who began as a Democrat, once said he didn't leave the Democrat party, it left him. Me withholding my votes and financial support for the Republican Party isn't because I have changed political philosophy or party affiliation. I am withholding my votes and supports because the Republican Party has morphed into the Democrat Party.

The Whiny Bitch wing will say that there is no alternative and that not voting means that the Democrat Party (the old one that has now morphed into the Socialist Party) will prevail. The Democrat Party, or at least its principles, is prevailing anyway. One only need look at the actual status of Secure borders, immigration reform, government spending, balance of trade, energy self-sufficiency, whacko environmentalism, and voter fraud to see this.

If the GOP doesn't right itself will fade to irrelevance and will be replaced by a conservative party. When either of these two options happen I will again break out the check book and resume voting. Until then I will refrain.

[Natural Law]

"It makes me wonder if people in power start to think of themselves as far and above their party affiliation"

I think the problem is that the people in government begin to believe that government is the solution instead of the problem.

[durasell]

What language do they speak on Fantasy Island?

Three dialects:

Bumper Sticker
Sound Bite
Worn Cliche

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

The country isn’t as conservative as it was back then, sorry

So we should just throw in the towel then and adopt the Arnold strategy.

[dvwjr]

Originally posted by Extremely Extreme Extremist:

"Part of the GOP's loss in the mid-terms was due to historical trends. Nobody likes to see one party in control of government. (albeit, technically there is a one-party, they're just divided by halves)..."

That's strange. Historically the "American people" have been in favor of a single party dominating all three of the elected branches of the Federal government - the Presidency, the House of Representatives and the Senate. How can I say that? Well the historical record says that around 63% of the time since 1789 a single political party has been put in charge of the entire Federal government. So why do people keep insisting that the 'American People' do not wish one party in charge? Never heard this bitching about 'single party' control under FDR, JFK, LBJ, Carter or Clinton, did you... Hmmmn, I sense a pattern here... could it be they were all Democrats? Ah, that explains it.

There have been five major political parties in the history of the United States, the Federalists, the Democratic-Republicans, the Democrats, the Whigs and the Republicans. Each of these major parties has in at least one Congress controlled the House, Senate and Presidency concurrently. This is what has defined them as major parties...

Party Control of Presidency, House and Senate
1789 to 2007

Congress	Years_Term	President	Presidential Party	House Majority Party	Senate Majority Party	The Big Tri-Fecta
1st	1789-1791	Washington	No Party	Administration	Administration	*
2nd	1791-1793	Washington	No Party	Administration	Administration	*
3rd	1793-1795	Washington	No Party	Opposition	Administration
4th	1795-1797	Washington	No Party	Opposition	Administration
5th	1797-1799	Adams(2)	Federalist	Dem-Reps	Federalist
6th	1799-1801	Adams(2)	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	*
7th	1801-1803	Jefferson	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
8th	1803-1805	Jefferson	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
9th	1805-1807	Jefferson	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
10th	1807-1809	Jefferson	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
11th	1809-1811	Madison	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
12th	1811-1813	Madison	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
13th	1814-1815	Madison	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
14th	1815-1817	Madison	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
15th	1817-1819	Monroe	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
16th	1819-1821	Monroe	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
17th	1821-1823	Monroe	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
18th	1823-1825	Monroe	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
19th	1825-1827	Adams(6)	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
20th	1827-1829	Adams(6)	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	Dem-Reps	*
21st	1829-1831	Jackson	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
22nd	1831-1833	Jackson	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
23rd	1834-1835	Jackson	Democrat	Democrat	Whig
24th	1835-1837	Jackson	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
25th	1837-1839	Van-Buren	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
26th	1839-1841	Van-Buren	Democrat	Whig	Democrat
27th	1841-1843	Harrison(9)/Tyler	Whig	Whig	Whig	*
28th	1843-1845	Tyler	Whig	Democrat	Whig
29th	1845-1847	Polk	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
30th	1847-1849	Polk	Democrat	Whig	Democrat
31st	1849-1851	Taylor/Filmore	Whig	Democrat	Democrat
32nd	1851-1853	Filmore	Whig	Democrat	Democrat
33rd	1853-1855	Pierce	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
34th	1855-1857	Pierce	Democrat	Republican	Democrat
35th	1857-1859	Buchanan	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
36th	1859-1861	Buchanan	Democrat	Republican	Democrat
37th	1861-1863	Lincoln	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
38th	1863-1865	Lincoln	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
39th	1865-1867	Lincoln/Johnson(17)	Republican*	Republican	Republican	*
40th	1867-1869	Johnson(17)	Republican*	Republican	Republican	*
41st	1869-1871	Grant	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
42nd	1871-1873	Grant	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
43rd	1873-1875	Grant	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
44th	1875-1877	Grant	Republican	Democrat	Republican
45th	1877-1879	Hayes	Republican	Democrat	Republican
46th	1879-1881	Hayes	Republican	Democrat	Republican
47th	1881-1883	Garfield/Arthur	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
48th	1883-1885	Arthur	Republican	Democrat	Republican
49th	1885-1887	Cleveland(22)	Democrat	Democrat	Republican
50th	1887-1889	Cleveland(22)	Democrat	Democrat	Republican
51st	1889-1891	Harrison(23)	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
52nd	1891-1893	Harrison(23)	Republican	Democrat	Republican
53rd	1893-1895	Cleveland(24)	Democrat	Democrat	Republican
54th	1895-1897	Cleveland(24)	Democrat	Republican	Republican
55th	1897-1899	McKinley	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
56th	1899-1901	McKinley	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
57th	1901-1903	McKinley/Roosevelt(26)	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
58th	1903-1905	Roosevelt(26)	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
59th	1905-1907	Roosevelt(26)	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
60th	1907-1909	Roosevelt(26)	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
61st	1909-1911	Taft	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
62nd	1911-1913	Taft	Republican	Democrat	Republican
63rd	1913-1915	Wilson	Democrat	Democrat	Republican
64th	1915-1917	Wilson	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
65th	1917-1919	Wilson	Democrat	Republican	Democrat
66th	1919-1921	Wilson	Democrat	Republican	Republican
67th	1921-1923	Harding/Coolidge	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
68th	1923-1925	Coolidge	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
69th	1925-1927	Coolidge	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
70th	1927-1929	Coolidge	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
71st	1929-1931	Hoover	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
72nd	1931-1933	Hoover	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
73rd	1933-1935	Roosevelt(32)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
74th	1935-1937	Roosevelt(32)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
75th	1937-1939	Roosevelt(32)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
76th	1939-1941	Roosevelt(32)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
77th	1941-1943	Roosevelt(32)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
78th	1943-1945	Roosevelt(32)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
79th	1945-1947	Roosevelt(32)/Truman	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
80th	1947-1949	Truman	Democrat	Republican	Democrat
81st	1949-1951	Truman	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
82nd	1951-1953	Truman	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
83rd	1953-1955	Eisenhower	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
84th	1955-1957	Eisenhower	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
85th	1957-1959	Eisenhower	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
86th	1959-1961	Eisenhower	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
87th	1961-1963	Kennedy	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
88th	1963-1965	Kennedy/Johnson(36)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
89th	1965-1967	Johnson(36)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
90th	1967-1969	Johnson(36)	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
91st	1969-1971	Nixon	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
92nd	1971-1973	Nixon	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
93rd	1973-1975	Nixon/Ford	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
94th	1975-1977	Ford	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
95th	1977-1979	Carter	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
96th	1979-1981	Carter	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
97th	1981-1983	Reagan	Republican	Democrat	Republican
98th	1983-1985	Reagan	Republican	Democrat	Republican
99th	1985-1987	Reagan	Republican	Democrat	Republican
100th	1987-1989	Reagan	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
101st	1989-1991	Bush(41)	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
102nd	1991-1993	Bush(41)	Republican	Democrat	Democrat
103rd	1993-1995	Clinton	Democrat	Democrat	Democrat	*
104th	1995-1997	Clinton	Democrat	Republican	Republican
105th	1997-1999	Clinton	Democrat	Republican	Republican
106th	1999-2001	Clinton	Democrat	Republican	Republican
107th	2001-2003	Bush(43)	Republican	Republican	Rep/Dem	*/no
108th	2003-2005	Bush(43)	Republican	Republican	Republican	*
107th	2005-2007	Bush(43)	Republican	Republican	Republican	*

Hope this clarifies,

dvwjr

[Oberon]

A hardcore conservative new party would do about as well as a hardcore liberal new party. Most people aren’t that extreme.

Look at that...now simple integrity has become extremism.

Wouldn't it be nice if, for once, Republicans would actually pursue the party platform? I mean, just now and again, for form's sake?

[HitmanLV]

I never suggested promising everything to everyone.

I do advocate our elected leaders at least reflect the values of the majority, even if the majority has come t a different conclusion that I have.

Conservatives like the federal system because they like the idea that states should decide many policy positions. We are right in that respect. But there are many, many cases where those states are going to tell conservatives and their values to go to hell. It’s called losing. Under that setup, we will win many times and lose many times. That’s fine with me, it’s the nature of the social contract.

Will stick up the arse conservatives take rejection and defeat as well as stick up the arse liberals take rejection and defeat?? From what I see on FR, my guess is ‘yes.’

And that really sucks.

[HitmanLV]

We should have our ideas compete in the marketplace of ideas, make the case, and let the people decide. When we win, good. When we lose, have the fortitude and maturity to cope with it.

And times change. We may lose today and win tomorrow. And we may win today and lose tomorrow.

[EverOnward]

"A hardcore conservative new party would do about as well as a hardcore liberal new party. Most people aren’t that extreme. The sooner some folks can absorb that, the better."

You mistakenly believe that those who are fed up with Bush are "hard core conservative." You're wrong. Though it's obvious the elitist Republicans detest conservatives, the "peasant" class and a sovereign America. BTW, please define "extreme."

[Melas]

Methinks your voice is lost in the wilderness my friend. It won’t be heard. You’re right of course, but it won’t be heard.

[HitmanLV]

Simple integrity isn’t extremism. What made your mind dart in that strange direction?

[durasell]

Did somebody say thing? Is there something good on TV?

[kevao]

The country isn’t as conservative as it was back then, sorry.

I believe it's only the political parties that aren't as conservative as they used to be, and that a majority of the population is still essentially conservative.

If I'm wrong, and you're right, then nothing we say or do really matters anyway. The slow (or rapid, if the amnesty passes) slide into socialism is inevitable.

[RJL]

I for one refuse to vote for a Democrat, even when they call themselves a Republican

Given a choice between a Rino that votes for this Bush/Kennedy immigration bill and a Democrat, I will write in John Galt.

It would be great fun after the elections to hear the Rinos asking: Who is John Galt?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Your post is misleading.

[tet68]

Suit yourself, but no sniveling later.

[do the dhue]

You may need to do some absorbing yourself:

The far left usually votes in the Demoratic candidate and the far right usually votes in the Republican candidate. The sooner you absorb that, the better.

The 'extremist' show up and vote in Primary election and the general. The 'not so extreme' hardly ever shows up to a primary and can miss the general, if the lines are long, it is raining, or they have something better to do.

I don't understand why it is so hard for people to understand that you have to keep your base happy. If you make the base digtruntled and you don't want to make them happy, then you better start building another base. If the Republicans do that and they do not support Life, Guns, and God this Conservative leaves the Party because I will not compromise these principles.

[AuntB]

Well the historical record says that around 63% of the time since 1789 a single political party has been put in charge of the entire Federal government.

Nice chart and all that, but this sentence IS the problem.'SINCE 1789'. Didn't take long for political parties to screw up a GREAT Constitution by not heeding the warning of the founding fathers to NOT form these parties, certainly not one or two running everything. We had slavery for a couple hundred years on this continent too, doesn't mean we must keep making the same mistake.

[Melas]

You really don't get it, do you. Conservatism isn't "hard-core" like you think it is. Everyone believes in low taxes, limited government, traditional values, strong defense. These are the tried-and-true beliefs that have sustained our nation since it's birth.

Oh come on, he's not talking about geniune convervatives who hold on to genuine conservative principles and you know it. He's referring to the Bircheresque wing of radicals on the far far right. We can pretend that they don't exist all day long, but they're out there.

[dvwjr]

Why?

I guess that the politics of 100 years ago means nothing today. After all we now have computers, TV, space travel, welfare, etc... We are so much more politically sophisticated than the generation of the Founding Fathers.

Right?

dvwjr

[HitmanLV]

Extreme is something that turns most people off because it is too draconian, impractical, or advocated by what come across as assholes.

So for example, the idea to shore up the borders could probably gain a lot of public support. How you go about it might alienate people. Alienate enough people and you don’t have the mandate anymore.