Posted on 05/23/2007 2:12:36 PM PDT by kellynla
Apparently, my position on immigration is that we must deport all 12 million illegal aliens immediately, inasmuch as this is billed as the only alternative to immediate amnesty. The jejune fact that we "can't deport them all" is supposed to lead ineluctably to the conclusion that we must grant amnesty to illegal aliens — and fast!
I'm astounded that debate has sunk so low that I need to type the following words, but: No law is ever enforced 100 percent.
We can't catch all rapists, so why not grant amnesty to rapists? Surely no one wants thousands of rapists living in the shadows! How about discrimination laws? Insider trading laws? Do you expect Bush to round up everyone who goes over the speed limit? Of course we can't do that. We can't even catch all murderers. What we need is "comprehensive murder reform." It's not "amnesty" — we'll ask them to pay a small fine.
If it's "impossible" to deport illegal aliens, how did we come to have so much specific information about them? I keep hearing they are Catholic, pro-life, hardworking, just dying to become American citizens, and will take jobs other Americans won't. Someone must have talked to them to gather all this information. Let's find that guy — he must know where they are!
How do we even know there are 12 million of them? Why not 3 million, or 40 million? Maybe we should put the guy who counted them in charge of deporting them.
If the 12-million figure is an extrapolation based on the number of illegal immigrants in public schools or emergency rooms and well-manicured lawns in Brentwood, then shouldn't we be looking for them at schools and hospitals and well-manicured lawns in Brentwood?
I prefer Fred Thompson, but Duncan Hunter would certainly be acceptable. I just want a Republican nominee who expressly and publicly states that he is a Conservative AND has Conservative credentials (e.g., has previously run as a Conservative, voted with the Conservative positions in a legislature, governed in a Conservative fashion as a Governor or local executive, etc.).
WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!
Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them.
That’s fine, but as far as standing against illegal immigration and border security, Hunter is miles ahead of Thompson. Thompson may be alright on this issue, but I have as yet not heard much about his positions. Whereas Hunter has been consistent his whole political career. He stood against Reagan during the 1986 amnesty bill. History proves Duncan was right and he remains just as committed to opposing amnesty for illegals.
Fifteen years ago I got $15 ph as a carpenter here. The best you can get now is $10. I'm not an ex-con either nor are most of the young American guys who are trying to make a living doing what I did.
I’m certainly not saying that only ex cons can do construction work but often it is the only work they can get and now its difficult due to the work slowdowns and the illegal alien problem.
Your experience proves the point that the construction industry is most definitely NOT in need of guest workers.
“Putting a lot of this on the employers by changing the I-9 rules is making the employer responsible for the problem the government created.”
And you trust the governenment to do anything?
It's not good when moi has to actually look something up in the dixshunary, so I've only read the first paragraph, but had to share before I actually comment on the Lovely Miss Spindly Leg's latest masterpiece.
Who deputized businesses anyway? You want the authorities to turn ordinary citizens into criminals while they let the criminals go free. What's next? Should we give the waitress who serves an illegal a cup of coffee ten years? If the police can identify businesses that employ illegals, it means they can identify the illegals. Why don't they just deport the illegals and leave the rest of us alone?Because the businesses are the crack dealers and the illegals are the addicts. The minute America stops *hiring* illegals is the minute America stops *having* illegals.
Such a bill has been introduced in the Senate. It was introduced last year. No one will pay attention to it!
Common Sense 'ENFORCE ACT' introduced By Sen. Inhofe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1837422/posts
All this reminds of a family on the next street over from where we used to live. They were a very hard working couple who worked like dogs. Their two boys did well in school. The problem was that the father worked construction. They had to go on public assistance during the winter months. I don't think he was highly skilled, and the mom worked at a care facility. Which is why they pushed their boys so hard.
I wonder how they're doing these days. These are good, hard working people....the ones who do the jobs that Americans won't do.
Proportional to the population, we evacuated roughly the same number to Europe and the Pacific about 65 years ago.
A one way ticket by plane to Mexico City is maybe $200 per person ...
They don't need to fly to Mexico City; take away their incentive to be here and they'll deport themselves the same way they got here - carpooling 15 to a van and hiking across the desert.
Yeah, the jobs Americans won't do. Nothing ticks me off more than hearing some politician say that. Construction isn't the kind of work that anyone ever thought of as a highly sought after career. But it is a satisfying job and I have known many people who have made very good livings in it. A good number become contractors and even developers. But a lot simply worked hard and became good enough to deserve and get above average wages.
All that is a much more difficult proposition these days. How do you support a family and buy some property on $10 ph? How can most young men hang in long enough to become contractors like that? Especially when many contracting companies are completely composed of illegal aliens including the owners.
I remember a friend's father advising me when I was about twenty that there were certain jobs/trades that would keep you employed anywhere in the world. The top three, in his opinion, were a cook, a carpenter and a plumber. It took me until I was 24 to get someone to hire me on as a carpenter's helper. No complaints; that's just the way it was. No one wanted to train someone new if they could help it.
That was the 70's on the Front Range of CO during a building boom. Even with that boom openings were hard to find and there weren't any illegals in the trades apart from maybe flatworkers. There were Americans, w/experience, from all parts of the country ready to fill those jobs. Guys from the depressed northeast, the depressed midwest and the depressed southeast thanks to Carter's malaise.
Now every trade is getting saturated with illegals and forget about being a cook in a restaurant. Or a dishwasher or in food prep which is what you have to do to get the experience to be a short order cook.
There is the crux of it. The bottom rung jobs are the doors to moving up in the working world and illegals have been saturating the job market from the bottom up. There was an article last year about ag jobs not being filled because the illegals were making more in construction. So what is the answer to that? I suppose we need to find workers more desperate than Mexicans and Latin Americans. Ann is not using any hyperbole when she calls this "importing a slave class" and Bush and other Republicans are all for it.
It is amazing that carpenter's average wages have dropped a third in fifteen years yet housing prices have tripled and gas to take the truck to and from work has done the same.
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Actually, THAT chart says (or, to be more precise, those charts say) absolutely nothing about that particular question.
(What you claim the chart says is, in fact, true - but the rightmost chart tells where illegals work, not what percentage of the workers in those places are illegals.)
The plantation mentality lives on.
Since the Americans of African origin lost their status as “biggest minority”, they have gotten thoroughly short shrift by the “polished elite”. Trapping the Spanish-speaking (and particularly Mexicans) as the next indentured servants is the escape valve so desperately needed by these dominators and dominatrices.
“Marie Antoinette” just barely describes these people.
I notice you didn't have a suggestion as to why if the government knows that someone has hired an illegal, it doesn't just deport the illegal. Then the eeevil business would die for lack of cheap labor and you would be happy.
ML/NJ
Millions of Europeans did that between 1607 and the early 1900's moving to the "New World".
Something's gotta give.
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