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It's Political Suicide for the GOP
Newsmax.com ^ | 05/21/07 | LeBoutillier, John

Posted on 05/21/2007 8:06:54 AM PDT by Theodore R.

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To: VictoryGal

“The illegals will be grateful to the GOP, and vote for them? RIGHT! They will run to the politicos who throw them the most free money. Guess who that would be?”

BTTT


41 posted on 05/21/2007 8:36:59 AM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

“1.Prescription Drug
2.McCain Feingold
3.Immigration{

I’d add No Child Left Behind to that list.


42 posted on 05/21/2007 8:37:44 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Theodore R.

The GOP will pay a big price in 08 for the failed presedency of George W Bush and so will the nation for many many years. Bush should resign.


43 posted on 05/21/2007 8:38:19 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Sans-Culotte
I fail to see how Bush 41 "so screwed things up".

"Read my hips."

44 posted on 05/21/2007 8:40:08 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

45 posted on 05/21/2007 8:40:51 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Ikemeister
Well, ask yourself, Who gave us Ross Perot?

Ross Perot, who put his own selfish interests above the welfare of the country.

46 posted on 05/21/2007 8:41:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: Theodore R.

Well, I think LeBoutillier is wrong about the war. We needed to fight it, and if Bush can be faulted, it is for slacking off after the military victory in Iraq. He slacked off in Iraq, and he failed to move on to Syria when that should have been done.

But LeBoutillier is certainly right about the alien amnesty bill. It will destroy the Republican party, it threatens to destroy the country, and it will fragment the conservative coalition.

Sure, eventually conservatives may get together and replace the Republican Party with a new conservative party, but in the meantime incredible damage will have been done. It’s bad enough to deal with 20 million illegal aliens in our midst. How will future generations deal with 120 million illegal aliens, or 120 million amnestied aliens?

Civil war?

The time to head this off is now.


47 posted on 05/21/2007 8:43:01 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jpsb; Sans-Culotte
I fail to see how Bush 41 "so screwed things up

New world order

NAFTA

Invasion of Somalia with advance notice to the media so they could be there to shine lights in the eyes of our troops when they came ashore.

Resting on his laurels after Iraq

Something I have realized in the last few years is that it was a good thing he stopped the invasion of Iraq when he did. By leaving them with an army, he left the balance between them and Iran as with no advantage to either side, although what happened to the Kurds is a result of his decision. Whether or not he could have occupied Iraq and kept the coalition together, we will never know. There might have been enough troops present to do just that, but trusting our so called allies at that time would have been a huge obstacle.

48 posted on 05/21/2007 8:43:04 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
LeBoutillier’s anti-war feelings come through loud and clear.

He uses the Immigration issue as a stalking horse to espouse his anti-war sentiments.

49 posted on 05/21/2007 8:44:37 AM PDT by Obadiah (I’m always relieved when someone is delivering a eulogy and I realize I’m listening to it.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Plus, how about “read my lips”? That was the last straw. A huge tax increase involving a deal with the Democrats, which they predictably violated, leading to an even bigger tax increase when clinton came in as a result.

Sure, Ross Perot made the difference, but Perot never would have had the chance to do it if Bush hadn’t screwed up on taxes. He would have gotten maybe 2% if people hadn’t been so angry with Bush I.


50 posted on 05/21/2007 8:45:30 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: gracesdad

good point..

Jailing of the BP agents should be added too.


51 posted on 05/21/2007 8:46:42 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: JacksonCalhoun

Boy that seems to be the case here.


52 posted on 05/21/2007 8:47:28 AM PDT by Obadiah (I’m always relieved when someone is delivering a eulogy and I realize I’m listening to it.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

He did it in a few short words, “read my lips, no new taxes”. And that my friend gave us eight years of Bill Clinton..


53 posted on 05/21/2007 8:47:49 AM PDT by bestrongbpositive
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To: Obadiah

Exactly.


54 posted on 05/21/2007 8:48:29 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: GoBucks2002
I think you, and many others here (including myself until a couple of days ago) do not understand what a vote for cloture means. That is what the Senate is voting on in about two hours!

cloture

: The closing or limitation of debate in a legislative body especially by calling for a vote.

They are calling for a vote to end all debate or amendments to this travesty.

This is a railroad job if ever there was one!

55 posted on 05/21/2007 8:50:27 AM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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To: Cicero
Well, I think LeBoutillier is wrong about the war. We needed to fight it, and if Bush can be faulted, it is for slacking off after the military victory in Iraq. He slacked off in Iraq, and he failed to move on to Syria when that should have been done.

I think he is only half right about the war. He is wrong in saying "we attacked a country that had not attacked us". He is wrong because the war on Iraq was pre-emptive. We never said they had attacked us. However, he is right in saying it is a mess that already killed us in the last election, and will probably do so in 2008. IMO, the "war" ended when Saddam's statue toppled. Up to that time, the war was handled well. When he started trying to "bring democracy to the middle east" to muslims who would rather live under repressive sharia law, that's when he/we lost control of the situation.

56 posted on 05/21/2007 8:50:30 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: Loyal Buckeye
LeBoutillier’s anti-war feelings come through loud and clear.

Y'know, there's a difference between being anti-war, and being anti the way we've dealt with this war.

The true Jane Fonda anti-war activist is for peace at any price, they even protested Bill Clinton's war against the Serbs. Being against the way this war has turned out is something else entirely.

When I said, "Go to war, President Bush," I thought I was urging turning Baghdad into a glass parking lot. Ok, maybe full nuclear annihilation was somewhat impractical, but I didn't sign up for a war where we didn't at least bomb the holy hell out of towns that contined to resist after we toppled the Saddam regime. I didn't sign up for PC rules of engagement, where our military cannot effectively wipe out an enemy's stronghold, and most everything surrounding it. I didn't sign up for a muzzie Marshall Plan, using billions and billions of US taxpayer dollars to rebuild an infrastructure for both the Shiites and the Sunnis that they would just blow up the opposing side's stuff as soon as we left. I didn't sign up for a war where poorly paid, overworked soldiers would act as cheap guards for expensive mercenaries who were in turn defending very well paid business people who are the Daddy Warbuckses of the 21st Century. I didn't sign up for a war that should have taken six months to win (this wasn't the Germans and the Japanese we were fighting, here), but instead was drawn out in such a way that it is guaranteed to divide this country like nothing seen since Vietnam.

Now, we have the Bush Administration's rubberstamping of Fat Teddy's new Democratic voter initiative. That is the straw that finally broke the camel's back for me. I knew that President Bush would not be able to propose any conservative legislation with a Rat-controlled Congress, but I believed it to be his job to veto anything that came out of that body. Being unwilling to do that, he's now useless.

57 posted on 05/21/2007 8:53:26 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: Cicero
Plus, how about “read my lips”? That was the last straw

I agree, plus having to listen to his voice anytime he had something to say was not easy. It had a certain grating of the nerves quality to it. The sound of his voice over weighed the content of his message most of the time.

58 posted on 05/21/2007 8:56:43 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Theodore R.

I don’t agree with him about the war, but this Z-visa amnesty is not only political suicide, but national suicide.


59 posted on 05/21/2007 8:57:30 AM PDT by crunk
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To: Ikemeister

“No, Ross Perot gave us Clinton42.

Twice.

No, only once. Bush I might have won in 92 had it not been for Ross Perot. But Bob Dole was going to lose whether Perot was running or not.


60 posted on 05/21/2007 8:59:15 AM PDT by John Cena
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