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Milan hospital replaces crucifix with (statue of) Mary to please Muslims
Deutche Presse ^ | May 9, 2007

Posted on 05/09/2007 6:35:16 AM PDT by NYer

Milan - Milan's leading obstetric hospital was replacing its crucifixes with images of the Virgin Mary to avoid offending a growing number of Muslim patients, reports said Wednesday.

'Our wards have become multiethnic. We want to respect all religions and avoid any form of discrimination. That is why we have decided to replace the crucifix with the image of the Madonna, which is also appreciated by Muslim women,' daily La Repubblica quoted Mangiagalli's medical director, Basilio Tiso, as saying Wednesday.

Some 7,000 women give birth at the Mangiagalli each year. Of these, about 30 per cent are foreign immigrants, many of whom are not Catholic.

The head of Milan's Viale Jenner Islamic centre, Abdelhamid Shaari, welcomed the move, saying Mary was a figure that was also revered by Muslims.

'This is certainly a sign of respect for our religion that we greatly appreciate. But a white wall would have been even better. Italy is a secular state and children are angels in any religion,' Shaari told La Repubblica.

The representation of the cross on which Jesus died has become the subject of a heated debate in Italy in recent years as Muslim groups and non-Christians seek its removal from the walls of public buildings.

Although church and state are officially separated in Italy, a 1923 regulation issued during Benito Mussolini's Fascist rule and never repealed states that a symbol of the crucifix should hang in every classroom and courtroom in the country.

Officials at the Mangiagalli hospital plan to replace all crucifixes within the next few months. However, patients will still be able to have a crucifix hanging in their room if they ask for one.


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KEYWORDS: catholic; diversity; italy; muslim
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To: NYer

Seems like Oriana Fallaci’s cicadas are still crawling out in Italy to make their lovely music.

The definition of irony: how extremist Islam and Shariah in Europe are being midwifed into birth by smug and self-satisfied modern atheists who are too foolish to see their own impending demise.


21 posted on 05/09/2007 6:47:24 AM PDT by Marechal (In Ulcisci, Fidelitas)
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To: NYer

Submitting to the religion that believes Jesus existed and was holy but denies His divinity, His death. amd His resurrection is to deny Jesus.

Why bow to the antiChrist’s “religion”? It leads the faithful astray and has them kill in the name of a warlord.


22 posted on 05/09/2007 6:48:33 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: RexBeach

You would be hung before the crucifix?


23 posted on 05/09/2007 6:50:01 AM PDT by Long Island Pete
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To: mmichaels1970

Well before 9-11 a nurse I know in Houston told me she was instructed not to look at muslim men in the eye when they visit the hospital.


24 posted on 05/09/2007 6:50:29 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: NYer

Well, instead of removing the cross, set up next to it the Star of David for Jews, a Cow for Hindus;, Prayers beads for Buddhists, and a Bloody Sword for Muslims.


25 posted on 05/09/2007 6:51:14 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Tokra

yes,
but its not about that. they want christians to leave ‘their’ country...


26 posted on 05/09/2007 6:51:45 AM PDT by rogernz
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To: NYer
...AND THAT DRESS YOU'VE GOT MARY IN...you really need to get Armani to work on THat too!

sheeeesh....COME ON ITALY

27 posted on 05/09/2007 6:53:10 AM PDT by NordP (The greatest gift God can give us is LIFE. The greatest gift man can give to another is FREEDOM.)
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To: NYer
I know this story is about Italy. And I know that the USA is a republic and not a democracy. But I just want to say that the extremists who seem to like democracy, and who favor majority rule, also seem to be the same folks who say "30% of the people might be offended, so the other 70% are going to have to change their ways."

The folks who like democracy actually don't.

28 posted on 05/09/2007 6:54:12 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: NYer

Well, guees what, they are also offended by the fact that all of Spain is not mohammedan, so just save some time and convert now. It’s where you and the rest of Europe are headed anyway.


29 posted on 05/09/2007 6:58:21 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: rogernz

What dialect? My Mother’s Calabraise cannot be understood in Milan.


30 posted on 05/09/2007 6:59:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Bigg Red

Spain = Italy. Duh!


31 posted on 05/09/2007 7:00:02 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: rogernz

I believe that the woman pictured in that verse is Israel.


32 posted on 05/09/2007 7:03:01 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: NYer
Muslims have a problem with the Cross because it is through the Cross that we are saved.

Islam is an anti-Christian religion.

33 posted on 05/09/2007 7:06:11 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: NYer
This constant giving in to these unappeasables makes me sick. Just once I’d like to hear.. “This is a predominately Catholic country and and if you don’t like it go back where you came from!”
34 posted on 05/09/2007 7:07:25 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Bosco

catholic theology takes it as being mary. you see it in much of the artwork; mary stand on the moon with a crown of 12 stars. Even the EU flag is based on the crown of Mary - 12 gold stars. (the only reference to christianity in the EU, thanks to a good ole catholic monarchist Otto von Hapsburg)

“She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. 5 Her child was caught up to God and his throne. “ rev. 12:5


35 posted on 05/09/2007 7:08:32 AM PDT by rogernz
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To: AmericaUnited

then pray burlesconi gets elected since he said last year he wants italy to be catholic and for italians


36 posted on 05/09/2007 7:09:37 AM PDT by rogernz
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To: NYer
Maybe one day they'll figure out that respecting the faith of others does not mean abandoning your own.

It is a Catholic hospital. As such, it represents a means of evangelization and outreach towards those whom it treats. There should be no obnoxious, "in your face" proselytization towards those of other faiths whom it holds captive due to illness, so to speak, but at the same time, the Catholic character of the hospital should be there and on display for all to see and experience. From the care and behavior of the staff to the visible symbols of the Catholic faith which adorn it.

Nobody is obligated to use a Catholic hospital so there is no need to apologize for being Catholic.

37 posted on 05/09/2007 7:10:29 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: RexBeach
Now, imagine you’re a Catholic in a hospital in Saudi Arabia. What would happen if you requested a crucifix be hung in your hospital room? Hmmmm?

Great point.

38 posted on 05/09/2007 7:17:38 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: NYer
That is why we have decided to replace the crucifix with the image of the Madonna, which is also appreciated by Muslim women,

Huh? What significance does Mary have to Islam? I thought Catholic reverence for Mary was why the Moozies consider them polytheists.

39 posted on 05/09/2007 7:19:05 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: NYer

They’re kidding right?

Well... good enough for the kaaba... /s


40 posted on 05/09/2007 7:19:49 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray for Tony Snow, Liz Edwards, cancer patients, their families and support.)
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