Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
If folks decide they don’t want to support Romney because they don’t agree with his politics, that’s one thing. All I have been saying is that people who hate Mormons and would never vote for a Mormon just because the person is a Mormon, that’s ignorant and mean spirited.
I was thinking how odd it is that Shirley Dobson excluded Mormons from the National Day of Prayer - that if Romney became President, Mrs. Dobson would not allow him to pray with the citizenry. How goofy and screwed up is that?
Again I say, Jesus Christ is my Lord and my personal Savior. He died for me. It was Heavenly Father’s plan and the Holy Ghost tells me it’s true.
Mrs. Dobson says I am not good enough to pray with her. Whatever.
I can't speak to every person who sits in an LDS church and say for certain which Jesus they relate to--if they relate to any of 'em at all. So in that sense, I don't pretend to know which "Jesus" you reference. But I've got a decent framework of the Mormon Jesus.
Why do I say which Jesus? The apostle Paul says there is "another Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3-4). The Mormon "Christ" is a pre-existent spirit, they say, like you or me...whose difference is
(a) mere birth order--having been first;
(b) was twice made a son of God via Mary; and
(c) died for Adam's sin so folks could be resurrected (his role as Savior).
Other than that, he was not the Son of God from eternity past. He worked his way up to godhood status. He's not an exalted God-become-man, but an exalted man-become-God. He was an elder spirit bro of Lucipher. Had your hubby been "first" in that pre-existent spirit world birth order, he could have been Christ!!!
This Jesus really didn't die for our personal sins or our rebellious nature...cause when we get to Mormon heaven men are subject to punishment for their own sins--not Jesus [LDS second article of faith: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression." The flip side of this belief is that Jesus wasn't punished for our sins--men will be...Jesus was simply punished for Adam's sin to release us to "free agency."]
This Jesus is foreign to the Bible. The Messiah of the Bible shared the glory with the Father in the beginning (John 17). This Jesus is THE Son of God, not just a son of God. And THE Son of God did not consider equality with His Father something he couldn't let go of while becoming a man (see Philippians 2). Phil. 2 makes it clear He was already divine, not just a "wannabe" God like Dear Ole Dad.
This God created all things--including all angels...including even Lucipher (see Heb 1; John 1; Col. 1:16; see even D&C 93:9-10). This Jesus didn't atone for sins by sweating blood in the garden; He did it on Calvary as the Bible proclaims.
This Messiah was born in Bethlehem as the Bible foretold and affirmed post-birth--not like the Mormon Jesus of Mormon Scriptures born in Jerusalem.
This Jesus' blood was powerful enough not only to atone for Adam's sin, but mine. I have his rich blood streak running over every part of my sinful body, my sinful mind, my sinful soul, my sinful spirit. I am drenched in His blood; saturated in it; bathed in it. It cleanses me entirely of all past sins, my present sins, and every sin I'll commit (or action I'll fail to responsibly commit) because I entrust that His blood is sufficient for me.
His blood, His mercy, His grace makes me "worthy"--tho the fact that He went to the cross for me shows my ultimate value. Like any heir, I'm an heir by His death and His gift to me...NOT an heir based upon my works, my obedience, my worthiness, my commandment-keeping, my temple recommend, my Word-of-wisdom keeping, my exaltation checklist, who I marry, if I marry, and all the other plural "My-s" I can ever list--as if my life was to center on me and not the One I serve.
Not so with Brigham Young's Jesus. (And BY is not simply a yesteryear "nobody"; his very name is the hallmark of LDS' brightest and best in their young generation). The Jesus of Brigham's poured forth only anemic blood--blood so weak that it couldn't cover all men's sin...which is why Brigham developed the teaching of "blood atonement." (not an official doctrine of the LDS church)
This Jesus is the Head of the Body; He's the Living Prophet of the Church on both sides of the veil (Heb. 1:1-2). This Jesus is the Church's Lamb and the Church's Groom. He is the Only Spouse necessary in our Forever family.
This composite God is the Only One we'll ever need. We don't need to knock on the Lone Throne Door and say to Him, "Move Over. I'm moving in." We're not going to be at the Right Hand of Jesus.
“Sorry for bringing this up but when the bank that Joseph Smith envisioned failed, it was at the same time that banks all over the U.S. failed. It was a national disaster. People are people.”
I am sooo glad you feel that way, because a lot of mortgage banks have failed recently.
But you are in luck, cause your Prophet FastCoyote has just started a mortgage bank, without a charter because it is an anti-mortgage bank - For The People. This is your chance to deposit you money in the Bank of FastCoyote and help fund home loans for indigent people - ME! Of course, since there are a lot of mortagage bank failures, you won’t hold me accountable if the Bank of Fast Coyote fails, just like you don’t hold Joseph Smith accountable.
I’m on a roll now, I can double the deposits overnight with a “blessed miracle” roll of the dice down at the Four Queens here in Vegas.
Ah but FC. I’ll only invest in a bank set up by a Prophet of God. . . . By one who is directed of God.
If you tell me you’re a prophet then I’ll TRUST you that you won’t lose my money. Are you a Prophet or just a man like all the other bank owners who have failed?
Mormon’s have a problem. Either Joseph’s Myth was a Prophet or he was a profit and he stole other peoples wives and money. Hmmmm which one could it be?
Doesn’t the Bible call the one who brings another Jesus, the antichrist?
“Ah but FC. I’ll only invest in a bank set up by a Prophet of God. . . . By one who is directed of God.”
But colorcountry, we are all becoming gods (except women and non-priests if I got this right), so I’m directing my self, so bingo, you should invest in my bank. Speaking of bingo, my bank also runs a bingo night.
“If you tell me you’re a prophet then I’ll TRUST you that you won’t lose my money. Are you a Prophet or just a man like all the other bank owners who have failed?”
I am a Profit maker, is that good enough? I absolutely guarantee that I will use your money for the “God given” purposes for which I intended it.
“Mormon’s have a problem. Either Joseph’s Myth was a Prophet or he was a profit and he stole other peoples wives and money. “
No problem is too big that a timely revelation can’t take care of it. A Prophet is a Prophet except when they screw up - that’s why I guarantee as a Prophet that I am a Prophet, unless I just screwed up on that.
Wow, I believe you too! If following you makes me a better person, then you must be a profit!
Now everyone in America must vote for me.....I will become President, then a god....a ruler of my own planet and universe.!!!
Will you come with me and be my polyandrous mate. We can have lots of spirit children (if I’m not consorting with my other more preferred mates, that is). WHAT!! Women can’t have plural marraiges in heaven! Only men!
We’ll see about that. I will pray to god in the forest and he will tell me that YOUR religion is wrong, and that MY new religion is a restoration of polyamory. Now women can have plural husbands.....just the way it should be! We can cut down the population on earth and save the planet. I am a Prophetess.
C,
excellent post and worthy or rereading by every mormon and non mormon here. And that is the rub of why mormonism remains outside of Christianity - they worship a god who is not the god of the Bible, even if they call their god by the same name. This is exactly why I wouldn’t vote for oven mitt, even if he was a conservative. I do not want to do anything that would confer perceived legitimacy on the false teaching of mormonism. Others may. I can’t.
Again, an excellent post.
ampu
“Will you come with me and be my polyandrous mate.”
Don’t tempt me, you seem to have your nut on straight.
“We can have lots of spirit children (if I’m not consorting with my other more preferred mates, that is). WHAT!! Women can’t have plural marraiges in heaven! Only men!”
That conforms with my theory that “Mormon women are used sofas on the Celestial plane”, which I would have thought would be a big humiliation, but apparently not.
“We’ll see about that. I will pray to god in the forest and he will tell me that YOUR religion is wrong, and that MY new religion is a restoration of polyamory.”
How can your god in the forest compete with my god at the casino (which used to be a church, until I discovered it was a Temple).
“Now women can have plural husbands.....just the way it should be! We can cut down the population on earth and save the planet. I am a Prophetess.”
Says you, and Joseph Smith. Silly, there are no Prophetesses, but I am God of Earth so I’ll give you a pass and make you one as long as you don’t put a limit on my Spirit wives (since they were preborn, that means flesh and blood cocktail waitresses can be my Spirit Wives, can’t they? Oooooh, another hole in the Doctrine that will require a new revelation)
Waiting...waiting...
I feel a new revelation coming on. You may have your cocktail waitress to be thy handmaidens (but only ‘hand’). They are not to be defiled!
Ah another commandment...I FEEL the burning in my bosom!
The Danish cannot take part of our holy priestesshood. They are representative of satan on earth, and the seed of the fallen angels. They will be my servants (even in heaven) and wait on me hand and foot. . . And bring me Danish beer which will make me strong in all the ways of the God Thor. What say ye, Utah Binger?
(Hey, this prophetess thing is fun and could become addicting. What a power trip! LOL)
“Hey, this prophetess thing is fun and could become addicting. What a power trip! LOL)”
Oh I know, it is loads of fun and entertaining. And if you screw up, just say you were obviously acting in your mortal skin rather than as Prophetess, as everyone should know.
I just read about the death of Hyrum and Joseph, all set in motion after they shut down the press run by ex-mormons who opposed them. Earily familiar.
In the name of all things Danish, I hereby command that thy fruits of thy loom (bring thy body too) come hither to Mesquite and make toasts with Carlsberg or Tuborg chasing huge gulps of Akvavit in the name of Maynard Dixon and his son Daniel from whom we will seek further guidance. Further, thou art commanded to eat heartily at the Casa Blanca in that place called Katherine’s where only Osso Buco and lobster may be partaken of in good season. This word of great wisdom is given not by commandment, but as strong suggestion to serious gourmands!
Ahhhh....the good life! Are you winning?
If not, perhaps there is sinfulness you would wish to confesseth unto me. Verily, if you should confesseth, thy sin should then be cast far from you. And woe be unto you, Binger, if thy shouldest not fosake of thy sin, for you will be cast down into Nevada, yea even Mesquite, the land of the casa blanca (white house?) in everlasting fire like thy brother Fast Coyote, who hast been banished into everlasting punishment in Dirty Harry territory, never to return to the refreshment of thy handmaiden that waits for you near Zion in everlasting covenant.
You should returnest thou to thy home near Zion and refresheth thyself with pure spring water delivered unto you by the hand of thy handmaiden, and favorite cocktail waitress, that all may be well with you and you will have power in thy loins forever and ever into the everlasting!
Yep, we cannot publish, nor say anything against the Prophet Joseph Smith or we will be shut down and our printing press (FR) shall be destroyed by the avenging angels.
It is quite reminiscent of former times.
Your post is a keeper ... going into my desktop file for future drag and paste. Thank you for taking the time to share it.
Anyone running for high political office is a charlatan when it comes to whatever “Christian” religion they claim to be.
No politician could advance to high office id he ran his political career on Christian principles.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, thou makest me shake with mirth.
making fun of other peoples religion. Wow!!!
“No politician could advance to high office id (sic) he ran his political career on Christian principles.”
I can appreciate where you are coming from but I believe there are still a few good men and women out there who are not political creeps and I believe Mitt Romney is one of the good guys . . . maybe the last of the good guys.
Joseph Smith’s name will be known for good and evil . . .that is what we believe and it has come to pass right here on this thread.
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