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To: MrEdd

If folks decide they don’t want to support Romney because they don’t agree with his politics, that’s one thing. All I have been saying is that people who hate Mormons and would never vote for a Mormon just because the person is a Mormon, that’s ignorant and mean spirited.

I was thinking how odd it is that Shirley Dobson excluded Mormons from the National Day of Prayer - that if Romney became President, Mrs. Dobson would not allow him to pray with the citizenry. How goofy and screwed up is that?

Again I say, Jesus Christ is my Lord and my personal Savior. He died for me. It was Heavenly Father’s plan and the Holy Ghost tells me it’s true.

Mrs. Dobson says I am not good enough to pray with her. Whatever.


2,841 posted on 05/18/2007 8:07:44 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy ( Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Again I say, Jesus Christ is my Lord and my personal Savior. He died for me. It was Heavenly Father’s plan and the Holy Ghost tells me it’s true.

I can't speak to every person who sits in an LDS church and say for certain which Jesus they relate to--if they relate to any of 'em at all. So in that sense, I don't pretend to know which "Jesus" you reference. But I've got a decent framework of the Mormon Jesus.

Why do I say which Jesus? The apostle Paul says there is "another Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3-4). The Mormon "Christ" is a pre-existent spirit, they say, like you or me...whose difference is

(a) mere birth order--having been first;

(b) was twice made a son of God via Mary; and

(c) died for Adam's sin so folks could be resurrected (his role as Savior).

Other than that, he was not the Son of God from eternity past. He worked his way up to godhood status. He's not an exalted God-become-man, but an exalted man-become-God. He was an elder spirit bro of Lucipher. Had your hubby been "first" in that pre-existent spirit world birth order, he could have been Christ!!!

This Jesus really didn't die for our personal sins or our rebellious nature...cause when we get to Mormon heaven men are subject to punishment for their own sins--not Jesus [LDS second article of faith: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression." The flip side of this belief is that Jesus wasn't punished for our sins--men will be...Jesus was simply punished for Adam's sin to release us to "free agency."]

This Jesus is foreign to the Bible. The Messiah of the Bible shared the glory with the Father in the beginning (John 17). This Jesus is THE Son of God, not just a son of God. And THE Son of God did not consider equality with His Father something he couldn't let go of while becoming a man (see Philippians 2). Phil. 2 makes it clear He was already divine, not just a "wannabe" God like Dear Ole Dad.

This God created all things--including all angels...including even Lucipher (see Heb 1; John 1; Col. 1:16; see even D&C 93:9-10). This Jesus didn't atone for sins by sweating blood in the garden; He did it on Calvary as the Bible proclaims.

This Messiah was born in Bethlehem as the Bible foretold and affirmed post-birth--not like the Mormon Jesus of Mormon Scriptures born in Jerusalem.

This Jesus' blood was powerful enough not only to atone for Adam's sin, but mine. I have his rich blood streak running over every part of my sinful body, my sinful mind, my sinful soul, my sinful spirit. I am drenched in His blood; saturated in it; bathed in it. It cleanses me entirely of all past sins, my present sins, and every sin I'll commit (or action I'll fail to responsibly commit) because I entrust that His blood is sufficient for me.

His blood, His mercy, His grace makes me "worthy"--tho the fact that He went to the cross for me shows my ultimate value. Like any heir, I'm an heir by His death and His gift to me...NOT an heir based upon my works, my obedience, my worthiness, my commandment-keeping, my temple recommend, my Word-of-wisdom keeping, my exaltation checklist, who I marry, if I marry, and all the other plural "My-s" I can ever list--as if my life was to center on me and not the One I serve.

Not so with Brigham Young's Jesus. (And BY is not simply a yesteryear "nobody"; his very name is the hallmark of LDS' brightest and best in their young generation). The Jesus of Brigham's poured forth only anemic blood--blood so weak that it couldn't cover all men's sin...which is why Brigham developed the teaching of "blood atonement." (not an official doctrine of the LDS church)

This Jesus is the Head of the Body; He's the Living Prophet of the Church on both sides of the veil (Heb. 1:1-2). This Jesus is the Church's Lamb and the Church's Groom. He is the Only Spouse necessary in our Forever family.

This composite God is the Only One we'll ever need. We don't need to knock on the Lone Throne Door and say to Him, "Move Over. I'm moving in." We're not going to be at the Right Hand of Jesus.

2,842 posted on 05/18/2007 9:02:32 PM PDT by Colofornian
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