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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Tolsti

“”Then again, that’ll just lead to more obsessing too soon.””


Actually I’m on a vacation from passionate politics, that is why this thread helps me so much.

I don’t have a candidate yet, but at least now I have one to be against, and that pulls me back in a little bit.


8,321 posted on 04/24/2007 9:01:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe; Jim Robinson

I agree, get some sleep. Hey, why don’t you just lock up the thread for the night, and open it in the morning? I think we could all use a break.


8,322 posted on 04/24/2007 9:03:31 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Delphinium

Freepmail for ya....


8,323 posted on 04/24/2007 9:04:19 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Delphinium

My delphiniums are starting to bloom...that’s one of my good news thingies for today!


8,324 posted on 04/24/2007 9:05:39 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: flashbunny; Howlin; Sunsong
Thanks so much.

That howlin isa a piece of work.

Some of my first encounters with her and sunsong, (another lib) were debating about wolves in Idaho.

Found out real fast they are total animal rights nuts, and have no respect for private property rights.

I hate to see them go, they were sooo much fun:)
8,325 posted on 04/24/2007 9:06:02 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: LdSentinal

“Neither for him and it would take a good deal of luck for fatso to become the Dem nominee. He would have to overtake Hillary, HUSSEIN Obama, Edwards and maybe Al Gore.”

The constant presumption of poll front runners 9 or 10 months out from the primaries equals the actual nominee is laughable. This is the poll from much later in the primary season last time around - note how far down John Kerry is:

CHOICE FOR DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE Dec. 17, 2003

Howard Dean 23%
Wesley Clark 10%
Joe Lieberman 10%
Richard Gephardt 6%
Al Sharpton 5%
John Kerry 4%
John Edwards 2%
Carol Moseley-Braun 1%
Dennis Kucinich 1%

TN has dem governor. They also have Dem state legislators that introduce PRO gun bills!

Imagine NRA endorsed bill richardson running against gun grabbing rudy giuliani. Do you think rudy is going to win that matchup?

A lot of rudy supporters want him to be the maginot line against hillary, and they don’t realize the folly of putting all their efforts into one scenario that might never happen.


8,327 posted on 04/24/2007 9:06:36 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

My, he’s an interesting man.


8,328 posted on 04/24/2007 9:06:41 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Mine too, I am so excited about my garden. I have several delphiniums, but a bunch of more great stuff.


8,329 posted on 04/24/2007 9:07:40 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Tolsti

That same map looks a little better for us in 2008, because a lot of the green states have more votes, and the blue ones have fewer.

I miss the days when they changed the colors on the map every time, and when the colors were for incumbent and challenger.

I really hate being stuck with the color “red”. Blue is cooler, but I’d really like to have had either Orange or Purple.


8,330 posted on 04/24/2007 9:07:47 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Delphinium
It was a dark and stormy night thread....





It's always darkest before the dawn...
8,331 posted on 04/24/2007 9:08:14 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Yeah, the media sure ingrained red/blue during the 2000 election. Quite annoying, but it’s a sound bite.


8,332 posted on 04/24/2007 9:09:44 PM PDT by Tolsti
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To: flashbunny
That poll is inflated because Howard Dean was just endorsed by Al Gore and came right before the capture of Saddam Hussein and Dean's idiotic comment.

Kerry won because of his veteran status, but he was a flaming liberal. Bill Richardson is not. That's not to say he won't get the nomination, but his chanches are very slim.

Richardson might be compared to Joe Lieberman in that poll and look what happened to the latter.

8,333 posted on 04/24/2007 9:09:55 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Actually, that was a civil case in which Thompson represented the plaintiff/whistleblower about the selling of pardons. He won big, and it did lead to several criminal convictions including the governor. Or at least that’s how I remember it.
8,334 posted on 04/24/2007 9:10:26 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: gordonliddy

He was diagnosed with prostate cancer and dropped out.


8,335 posted on 04/24/2007 9:10:30 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

LOL...true words.


8,336 posted on 04/24/2007 9:10:40 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: upsdriver

Are you catching up yet?


8,337 posted on 04/24/2007 9:11:10 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Hey, why don’t you just lock up the thread for the night, and open it in the morning? I think we could all use a break.”

Lock up the thread? It lives it breaths...


8,338 posted on 04/24/2007 9:11:27 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: jedward

Saw your tagline,,,FYI,,,Louisiana Sen Vitter(R) came out
for “ROOOTY” a few weeks ago,,,caught mortal hell from
Pro-Life groups,,,”Katrina Mary”(D) is toast,,,
Bobby Jindal(R) WILL be the next gov.~~~~
Blood Bath for the libs...

http://www.businessreport.com/newsDetail.cfm?aid=11380

http://www.katc.com/global/story.asp?s=6415155&ClientType=Printable


8,339 posted on 04/24/2007 9:12:54 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: jedward

How much more do they deserve our reverence and praise, whose lives are devoted to the formation of institutions, which, when they and their children are mingled in the common dust, may continue to cherish the principles and the practice of liberty in perpetual freshness and vigour.

Joseph Story


8,340 posted on 04/24/2007 9:13:24 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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