Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
My personal opinion is the work to "take Giuliani down" should be to build up several other "acceptable" candidates as our conservative flagbearers. Right now half the problem as I see it is that none of the other candidates are very acceptable so none are getting much traction.
I know Duncan Hunter is the preferred "conservative", and of course if Fred joins I guess that will be who most will support, but until that point I'd love to see some sort of "truce" involving at least Romney (I know McCain is not worth arguing over), and maybe Brownback.
Romney is scary to people because they don't trust him. Could we take a week or two though were we pretend we trust him, and then argue about what he is actually TELLING us? I'm not positive that, based on what he SAYS he believes, we can support him or not, but I haven't been able to tell because every discussion of him ends up with half the argument being that he USED to have different positions and we can't trust him.
And I'm not saying that's a bad thing to point out, but it's keeping me and others from figuring out if he's even acceptable on his stated positions.
Does this make any sense to you all? Is it something that could possibly be done? I have to ask because you all should know I lean toward Romney so I have a "vested interest" in doing something like this anyway, but I think I make a good argument for trying it on the merits.
Heck, maybe you'll prove to Romney supporters that even accepting his veracity he's not good for us. And if you don't, we can always go back to yelling about his past after the break is up.
Maybe we need a new approach for other candidates, like a period where we can discuss what we like and dislike about Duncan Hunter without ANY mention of the impossibility of his winning. I think it would be helpful.
It might well turn out to be a bad idea. What you you and others think?
Amazing being part of a national news story....
I never sought the honor of serving in uniform, but I have seen the films.
nothin’ to it...
Not according to her tagline. (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
And if she had changed her mind and decided to support Rudy, she'd have the courage to come here and tell JR. She wouldn't hide out at some anti-FReeper site, trashing Free Republic, JimRob, and his membership, again. She has too much integrity for that.
I am pretty sure that South Park would not be for you. If you have never seen it, the language and images would be shocking to you. (I find it hilarious, but my brand of humor is not for every one)
And we haven’t even cleared our throats yet.
It would be nice to have a chart that shows what the various candidates say they stand for, what they have done, etc. Something that doesn’t speculate at the moment about electability, but shows current and past stances on major issues, votes, etc.
But I have more quotes lined up!
You don’t have to have an exploratory committee. An exploratory committee is to see if there is interest. He already knows people are interested.
I might not do anything differently than Jose and Pedro are doing crossing illegally into this country, to be honest--hell, look at Mexico, then look at us. Our slums are their middle-class suburbs! But that doesn't make it right, or legal, or something that we should accept as a fait accompli. If we don't crack down hard on illegal immigration, we might as well just throw the borders wide open, because we're just wasting billions of dollars and a lot of effort if we only go halfway.
If Mexico didn't have a two-thousand-mile long safety valve to bleed off 10% of their population and send $50 billion a year back south, maybe they'd actually get serious about fixing the structural problems in their own society.
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I would say he knows! He’s doing quite well for an officially undeclared candidate!
“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
- James Madison (attributed to Madison, by his contemporaries)
I’ve saved four of your quotes that I didn’t have.
it should go away - eventually
and its not that I’m offended, I’ve heard worse
it just gives the opposition a foothold and brings the discussion down to their level
Sorry I said something, it was just bothering me to see the arguement brought down to troll level
And I’ll be reading every one of them! Excellent, excellent quotes!
That would help. Until I can see everybody's stand on every issue, side by side, I will not declare my allegience for anyone.
If Mexico didn’t have a two-thousand-mile long safety valve to bleed off 10% of their population and send $50 billion a year back south, maybe they’d actually get serious about fixing the structural problems in their own society.
***Worth repeating. The fence would actually be GOOD for Mexico.
You know, what has amazed me reading over the founding fathers were how right they were about how fragile a thing liberty is, and how people would misuse and abuse power, and what would happen once public and private virtue slipped.
I can't imagine that you are talking to me. I don't get my ethics or morality from South Park, you or anyone else.
I'm intelligent and well read enough to read the NY Times or Washington Post and know where they are coming from and take it with a grain of salt. I'm mature and intelligent enough to listen to irreverant adult entertainers and not take it seriously.
I'm also so sure in my beliefs of right and wrong as to be able to listen to a streetpreacher try to preach to me as I'm talking to other people on Free Republic and minding my own business.
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