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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: conservative in nyc; Hildy; nopardons; Sunsong; Howlin; Registered
Really? I don't remember reading any thread where the phrases like "Bring it on you stupid b*@3h" were tolerated.

I sure have and worse.I have been called worse by some of those banned freepers.

FReepers were actively cheering for dozens long-time FReepers to get banned

not me, I actually enjoy it when they show their true colors, like Hildy tonight.

Alot of the glee you hear from posters celebrating some leaving is the way they have been treated by some we knew all along were liberals. I'm not sure Jim realised some of them were that bad because they kept getting away with it for years.

I have met so many freepers since this Rudy fight started who were very intimidated by their hatefulness and felt intimidated to post.

Maybe some will be more willing to participate after they see that they, (conservatives) are in the majority, not the minority on FR like that small shrill group tried to portray.

Hildy;nopardons;sunsong;howlin;registered;I added your names because I'm talking about you, and others.
6,301 posted on 04/23/2007 9:25:55 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

OK, I’ll compromise. I will post a vanity if at least one other freeper prepares a SUPO and agrees to post it on that thread... And no pig-in-a-poke — they gotta post it here first...


6,302 posted on 04/23/2007 9:25:58 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: processing please hold

No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.
Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775


6,303 posted on 04/23/2007 9:26:29 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
I don't contest that many women have been pro life all along.

But If you follow the link in my post, you will find one of many sites where people who shattered their lives with abortion go to seek healing and redemption. Being for abortion in theory, or when in panic over an unplanned pregnancy looks a lot different when you realize you have killed your child.

6,305 posted on 04/23/2007 9:27:55 PM PDT by MrEdd (Dogs think they're human, Cats think they're Gods.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Well, I saw M Thatcher lashing out at someone for posting to her by mistake.

Who me?

Darn I should have pinged her to 6301 because I was talking about her too.
6,306 posted on 04/23/2007 9:28:42 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: cicero's_son

I noticed it to. I ignored it because it was directed at M. Thatcher’s threat to report someone to the FBI as a “physical threat to the safety of a federal candidate” because he posted a picture from a movie of a guy beating up a printer.

I wouldn’t respond the way he did, but Thatcher’s threats are certainly deserving of ridicule, and given that she also said she was going to the newspapers, the sentiment in the response is not completely out of line.


6,307 posted on 04/23/2007 9:30:20 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“I’m not trying to dismiss her comment, but if she’s not interested in defending it, can’t you just claim victory?”

That reminds me of the saying about gamblers actually gamble for the loss, rather than the gain. Interesting parallel.


6,308 posted on 04/23/2007 9:31:57 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: FreeReign

No.


6,309 posted on 04/23/2007 9:32:15 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MrEdd

You know it.

Many souls gave in, either to their fears or allowed themselves to be goaded into it and pay the consequences for a long, long time.

We fight to save the moms as well as the babies.


6,310 posted on 04/23/2007 9:32:16 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: upsdriver

Thank you kind sir, you are still a gentleman.


6,311 posted on 04/23/2007 9:32:38 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
HELLO !!! FBI???...;0) Image and video hosting by TinyPic SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEE~ROOOOOOOODEEEEE!!!
6,312 posted on 04/23/2007 9:33:24 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You’re welcome and thank you, too.

I don’t know enough about Romney and nothing about Hunter to even voice an opinion. I like reading here because I’ve learned quite a bit, read articles I never would have seen, etc. I know just enough about boards/posting/the internet to know it’s dangerous but there’s a tiny part of me that still believes it’s not all bad (re disagreeable posters, unpleasant people, etc.). Hell, I have a personal stalker (kills me to even admit it, sorta takes the wind out of my toughness) and it carried over into my real life because I was a stupid adult that knew nothing about the internet and its dangers. It’s something that will hang over my head my entire life and there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. It’s like the terrorists (not as severe of course, just making a comparison to the helplessness, and I hate helplessness). I reacted and got screwed. I trusted and got screwed and it’s all my fault. I never imagined that an online stalker would carry over into my real life and threaten, or what I know in my gut to be a real threat, so I try not to tick anyone off. It’s something that will hang over my head for the rest of my life so they won. Again, per your comment about aligning with the rudy or whomever supporters, and again, I only have good thoughts about this site so far but I’ve read a few threads that do get personal. It’s something I will never understand. I’m probably a moron for continually posting when I have to be extra careful since I put my family in danger by my stupidity - fortunately, I own a gun and know how to use it. It sucks not knowing one’s enemy and though I compare it to what our world is like now, I know my danger is minor compared to what our troops face daily.

Off the tangent now :), I do equate his words and actions as real leadership. Despite what I feel about his stand on gun control (just found out because of here) and his abortion stand. Personally, I don’t understand how anyone could support abortion/murder but that’s just me. I don’t see what he did during 9-11 as just feeling. He acted. He lead. Bush said a lot of words, from the heart and mind imo and acted on them and still does. Bush lead this country during 9-11 and afterward. He’s leading it now but the feel good sentiment of half the country left his side. I’m still on his side. I’m still on Rudy’s side when it comes to 9-11 and his ability as mayor of NYC. His leadship and actions as mayor and during 9-11 is something I can’t argue with. I hate his abortion opinion but I hate what a lot of people think and feel about it. I hate his gun control (my opinion, gun control only works on those that follow the law anyway and means nothing to criminals).

He was a true leader during 9-11 because he motivated (me anyway)and spoke about not surrendering, he was there in the World Trade Center as chaos ensued as he should have been as the Mayor. He attended all those funerals and it didn’t come off to me as just a publicity shot like so many in politics during that time. None of this means I’ll vote for him in the primary. Just like the guts of it all comes out during the ads with all of them and their facade crumples, the debates and what they respond to on the spot shows the cracks, we’ll see it about all of them or what the MSM wants us to see.

Like my mom always said, and moms are always right - lol, think with your head, feel with your heart, but go with your gut.

I’m not in tune with any of the repub candidates yet. I’m sure one will stick out or hit me eventually, or at least I hope one does. I need to know more about all of them. I know way too much about the dem frontrunners and possible candidates and none are to my liking at all.


6,313 posted on 04/23/2007 9:33:26 PM PDT by Twink
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To: processing please hold

There is a fight ahead of us in this country! I agree wholeheartedly!! But to me it isn’t even about the war on terror, although that is important to our survival.

No, the real battle is the so called social issues. A country cannot continually turn its back on God, murdering millions of babies and expect God to keep blessing us. People want to know why things happen like the virginia massacre happen need look no further than the culture of death we have cultivated in this country.

At some point, there will be a civil war that will rival the first civil war. Stopping abortions is every bit as important as ending slavery was 150 yrs ago. We are in for a very rough time at some point down the road. And you are right, it is either get tough, or die.


6,314 posted on 04/23/2007 9:33:37 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: Politicalmom; SerpentDove; Jim Robinson; EternalVigilance; CyberAnt; NRA2BFree; Soul Seeker; ...
I saw a great “big tent” quote the other day. New people are welcome into the big tent, but they don’t get to tamper with the tent poles.

The mirror image of when Samson pulled down the pagan temple, except we have Trojan Horses RINOs trying to do it to FR and especially America.





It's time to...

Drive the false-profit
FisCON moneychangers
from the temple!

6,315 posted on 04/23/2007 9:34:17 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: EveningStar
You are out of line there big time.

YOU post the vile garbage, and accuse me of things I did not do and never did.

I read FR everyday, and see many threads, and refresh the latest posts constantly.

So I see your posts. And if you are posting your digs (harassment actually) to good posters and doing your little "mod" thing and if I feel like it, I will call you on it.

Yea, I’ve done it with you, and others too.

So you rationalize your saying I’m stalking you by making up a fantasy that I “pop out of nowhere and harass people”. I don't harass people you do. You did it on this thread and got called on it by several posters. I don't "pop out of nowhere", get a clue and see how this forum works

If you don't want to be called on what you do, change your posting methods.

Yea, HLL has you convinced I harassed her and got her banned. What BS. Your friend HLL had a dig at the management of FR in her EVERY post for some time before she was banned. And accused me of stalking her when I posted to her after not posting to her for a year.You are using her lame tactic, where did it get her?

You need examples of me stalking you or others, and harassing others or you need to retract your lying accusations.

Look over my posts. Go back as far as you like.

You won’t see me stalking or harassing anyone.

No I won’t “buzz off” Evening Star. Prove your statements or apologize.

Several people called you on your foolish statement on this thread. It’s not only me that sees you as an antagonizer and a shill for liberalism.

Oh and your history of sticking up for anti-freepers is pretty outlandish.

6,316 posted on 04/23/2007 9:34:34 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: processing please hold
You’re not an idiot.

Thanks.

You know very well what I mean by opening yourself up to the FBI.

I'm pretty sure I don't.

If this site can be muzzled by swine who support rudy, political dissent will cease

The site hasn't been muzzled by swine who support Rudy, nor does it appear at present that the swine who support Rudy are making any effort to muzzle the site. Time will tell, I suppose.

I posted that as a way of saying...then come after me too.

I understood why you posted it. While it wasn't necessary, the "Spartacus" reference cleared up any misunderstanding I might've had.

Some things are worth fighting for

And this is the point where I think you're being a little over-the-top with the drama, which brings us full circle.

6,317 posted on 04/23/2007 9:34:44 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

6,318 posted on 04/23/2007 9:35:39 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Delphinium

Please, no need to give me a thought. I know where I am and what it is.


6,319 posted on 04/23/2007 9:36:45 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: upsdriver

“God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.”

Daniel Webster


6,320 posted on 04/23/2007 9:38:04 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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