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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: stephenjohnbanker

“No rocket science here.

Rudy is a P O S !”

I would venture to say that a rock could have figured that out.


4,441 posted on 04/22/2007 11:55:47 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Mo1

You’re tired of that “shit”? What you are really tired of is this thing we call “America.” Shame on you. SHAME.


4,442 posted on 04/22/2007 11:57:06 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Kevmo

I don’t know if it was a result of this thread, but zarf was recently banned.


4,443 posted on 04/22/2007 11:57:28 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: This Just In

A low I.Q. rock : )


4,444 posted on 04/22/2007 11:57:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

G’night all.


4,445 posted on 04/23/2007 12:01:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Iwo Jima

That’s my friend,You have me crying and who the hell are you.


4,446 posted on 04/23/2007 12:03:58 AM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I am sorta weary of that article until I get the overtime pay loss these union men suffered. Not a Rudy fan as my past post will prove, but just a person that wants to see both sides of the coin.


4,447 posted on 04/23/2007 12:07:01 AM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Torie
Sayonara. I'll be sitting here in my $1,000,000 +++ mortgage free home, as befits a "shitty incompetent lawyer," and posting on FreeRepublic long after your sorry incompetent ass has gone.

Are we both happy now? I know that one of us is.
4,448 posted on 04/23/2007 12:09:56 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima

Prove it.


4,449 posted on 04/23/2007 12:14:23 AM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: LowOiL

Rudy is a con man POS......Unions notwithstanding!


4,450 posted on 04/23/2007 12:16:35 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Sedimentary rock perhaps? :^)

I’ve been lounging for the past two days. Following this post when time allowed.

What I observed was the consistent baiting of those individuals whom were unceremoniously dismissed. The did not engage in civil discourse. They did not address critical questions regarding their zealous devotion to Mr. Guiliani. There were legitimate point by point question the FReepers presented, and the responses were not in kind.

For example, Peach said on numerous occasions that her main concern was the issue of national security, and yet, when confronted with questions regarding Mr. Guiliani’s immigration record, she never fairly addressed this hypocracy and articulated her reasons despite the contradiction.

Peach has said that she didn’t want to see trucks loaded with explosives driving into a Wal Mart, in so many words.
If our borders are not secured, what’s to prevent this from happening? The illegal immigrants in this country have not taken a pledge of allegiance to this country. If they had their way, they’d want to turn this country into a little home away from home.

Their arguments, or lack there of, were baseless and without regard for the truth. I don’t begrudge anyone their freedom to choose. But this forum is a conservative forum and not a Republican forum. Those that were banded did not wish to engage in civil discourse, but rather to bait and create a climate of mudslinging.

At this time, Mr. Hunter has my support. His track record is one that reflects a true conservative statesman with integrity. We’ll see what unfolds in the coming months.

Lord have mercy on us.

4,451 posted on 04/23/2007 12:17:44 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: fatima

Prove what?


4,452 posted on 04/23/2007 12:19:33 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima

LOL! I have a 2.8 million dollar house in Scottsdale....Maybe we can swap vacations : )


4,453 posted on 04/23/2007 12:21:24 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Politicalmom; Hunble; Pukin Dog; noblejones; liberty2004; La Enchiladita; ...
Just wanted to remind everybody, now that Katie is gone, that I asked about 2500 comments ago for the name of a person who actually said seriously that they would vote for Hillary.

No names were given, just people who would stay home, people who would support her but not vote for her, people who would want her elected but couldn't bring themselves to vote for her.


I’ve already given you two and the name of someone else who said he’d cut a check to Hillary! if Rudy were the nominee. You’ve spun those to try to claim that the posters wouldn’t vote for Hillary!, even when they said they would under some circumstances. There are many more posters who have said they would vote for Hillary!, sometimes in response to a McCain candidacy, but also in response to Rudy as well (direct quotes of posts, but I've added the bold):

To: Names Ash Housewares
I would vote for Hillary, before McCain.

This “man” twists faster than a blade in a home fan.
30 posted on 11/13/2005 7:36:21 PM EST by Hunble (Proud to be a SOLDIER’S ANGEL)
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To: martin_fierro
Dump her. She’s too kneady.

Good one, I’m using it.
35 posted on 12/11/2006 10:14:53 PM EST by Pukin Dog (I will vote for Hillary Clinton for President, before I will vote for John McCain.)
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To: VictoryTancredo2008

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Lindsey will be deported from SENATE come ELECTION 2006.
<<

Without a wall and a train that only runs one way into Messico loaded with illegals, I will vote for Hillary.

22 posted on 03/29/2006 8:19:35 PM EST by noblejones (Ben Stein for President, 2008.)
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To: Matchett-PI
This is such a great quote from Liberty2004 yesterday, with which I totally agree, I’m re-posting it:

McCain needs to take a dirt nap. I am so livid at McCain that, at this moment, I would be tempted to vote for Hillary before voting for this vile traitor. These vile humans are so obsessed with the Presidency that they would sell their soul to SATAN to gain power. If SATAN said to McCain that the price of being President would be that he (McCain) would set in motions events that would destroy this Country and our way of life, McCain would not hesitate for one second to take that deal. ... God help this Republic.

24 posted on 05/25/2005 9:33:50 AM PDT by liberty2004
22 posted on 05/26/2005 2:39:39 PM EDT by La Enchiladita (The beatings will continue until morale improves.)
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(Note - not La Enchiladita, liberty 2004)

To: linda_22003; All

-—”Rudy is a liberal? Get a grip people - the man is a LEADER.”

You’re just hearing from the types who think he wears a dress every day, and are ticked that banning abortion isn’t a top issue for him.”-—

Actually, no.

Many of us are ticked that abortion has always been such a HUGE issue for Rudy. The mass expansion of abortions in NY City, public funding of abortions, excessive protection of abortion clinics from protests, expansion of underage and late-term abortions that happened under his leadership is something he has touted proudly many times. The man ran repeatedly as an unconditionally Pro-Choice candidate.

That, along with his unapologetic belief that gay marriage is a basic human right, is troubling to say the least.

Oh how I wish he were simply a social/moral/cultural Libertarian as you’d like to pretend. But he’s not. he’s a Pro-abort, Pro-Gay rights ACTIVIST, and has a rock-solid record to prove it.

Just go and see the Planned Parenthood clinics on every street corner in NY.

You Rudy-ophiles are forewarned. A good third or more of your own side would rather see the party go down in flames than nominate Rudy. Don’t come trying to shame or scare us if you succeed and you suddenly can’t understand why everybody isn’t on board with the 2008 ticket.

I’ll stay up day and night fighting for anyone - even John McLame, before I’d help Rudy.

Only Rudy-ophiles could get me to vote for Hillary Clinton to save the Conservative movement.

You guys need to learn what a Conservative is - it’s a social/cultural/moral label. Fighting crime and cutting taxes are basic Republicanism, not Conservatism.

Nominate Rudy at your own risk. Many like myself would work day and night against his election.

The ironic thing is that some people like myself may wind-up having to support McCain to avoid nominating Rudy. You Rudy-ophiles might get stuck with your own demands to “suck it up and vote GOP” being used against you.

I won’t vote Rudy, period. Unless, of course, he has a magic Conversion of epic proportions.

You’re amply forewarned, Rudy-ophiles.

48 posted on 10/31/2006 10:35:36 AM EST by TitansAFC (”Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.”)
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To: mnehrling
He is also the only stable and sane candidate.

I grant you McCain had a decent conservative voting record.

Stable and sane is a whole different issue.

I would actually vote for Hillary before McCain.

At least with the Hilderbeast, you know what you are dealing with, she will stab you in the front, then rip you heart out.

McCain will stab you in the back, then rip you guts out.
113 posted on 04/01/2007 4:21:04 PM EDT by Popman (”What I was doing wasn’t living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.”)
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To: areafiftyone

If those are the choices, I’ll vote for Hillary. May as well get a real Democrat.

8 posted on 11/09/2006 8:32:01 AM EST by MisterRepublican
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(Note: Choices in the post were Giuliani, Rice and McCain)

4,454 posted on 04/23/2007 12:22:03 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: This Just In

Lord have mercy is right. I am beginning to think I have lived too long, and I am 53 : )


4,455 posted on 04/23/2007 12:24:09 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: fatima

You need a better class of friends. Hanging out with the wrong crowd is very bad for you.


4,456 posted on 04/23/2007 12:24:31 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima

Sorry It read like you were sitting there.


4,457 posted on 04/23/2007 12:26:32 AM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: Iwo Jima

B U M P


4,458 posted on 04/23/2007 12:26:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: fatima
That’s my friend,You have me crying and who the hell are you.

I have a long standing rule - If the computer makes me cry, it's time to step away from it for awhile. I'm not trying to be flippant here. It's really a good rule.

4,459 posted on 04/23/2007 12:29:12 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Hey, you’re 53 young. And the Lord’s timing is better. Make it count for Him, and when our Father call you home....run!


4,460 posted on 04/23/2007 12:29:18 AM PDT by This Just In
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