Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[California Patriot]

Gee, Rudy is a socialist too?

Next, I expect to hear that he’s a coke addict who personally aborts babies.

[Miss Marple]

Dog Gone, I'm with you. I haven't made my mind up either, but this banning of long-time posters is quite disturbing. Two I know have worked tirelessly for conservative causes, including pro-life and Second Amendment issues.

How am I to decide who to vote for if one side of the debate is chilled?

[California Patriot]

Some things are improved when they’re chilled.

[Delphinium]

Any pretense that conservatives were thoughtful, decent people is well out the window and smashing on the sidewalk right now.

What!?, Because we won't tolerate the untolerable?

[narses]

I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.

KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.

GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.

KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.

JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.

KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.

GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.

Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp

[narses]

Archives of Rudolph W. Giuliani, 107th Mayor

Opening Remarks to the N.A.R.A.L. "Champions of Choice" Lunch

The Yale Club, Thursday, April 5th, 2001

As Delivered

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Thank you very much for inviting me to say a few words of welcome. This event shows that people of different political parties and different political thinking can unite in support of choice. In doing so, we are upholding a distinguished tradition that began in our city starting with the work of Margaret Sanger and the movement for reproductive freedom that began in the early decades of the 20th century.

As a Republican who supports a woman's right to choose, it is particularly an honor to be here. And I would like to explain, just for one moment, why I believe being in favor of choice is consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party. In fact, it might be more consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party. Because the Republican Party stands for the idea that you have to restore more freedom of choice, more opportunity, more opportunity for people to make their own choices rather than the government dictating those choices. Republicans stand for lower taxation because we believe that people can make better choices with their money than the government will make for them, and that ultimately frees the economy and produces more political freedom. We believe that, yes, government is important, but that the private sector is actually more important in solving our problems.

So it is consistent with that philosophy to believe that in the most personal and difficult choices that a woman has to make with regard to a pregnancy, those choices should be made based on that person's conscience and that person's way of thinking and feeling. The government shouldn't dictate that choice by making it a crime or making it illegal.

I think that's actually a much more consistent position. Many Republicans support that position, but you don't hear that as often. For example, in a recent poll by American Viewpoint, 65 percent of Republicans supported changing the plank in the Republican platform that calls for a constitutional ban on abortion. That's 6.5 out of every 10 Republicans. And over 80 percent of Republicans believe that the decision with regard to an abortion should be made by a woman, her doctor, and her family rather than dictated by the government.

[Applause]

In any case, I just wanted you to know that many of my fellow Republicans stand with you on this issue. So I thank you, I thank NARAL for taking the lead in establishing freedom of choice for all of us, and as the Mayor of New York City, I thank you for being here in New York City.

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http://www.nyc.gov/html/rwg/html/2001b/champlunch.html

[Eric Blair 2084]

But I would vote for a trained chimpanzee if it meant keeping Hillary out of the White House

On behalf of all trained clowns and chimps around the world, I thank you for voting for me. I will do a great job as your next President.

[Jim Robinson]

"We've so poisoned the atmosphere here that if you're NOT against Rudy, you're suspect. What the hell is that all about?"

C'mon. FR is a conservative organization. We do not support abortionist, gay rights loving, gun grabbing, illegal alien loving liberals as president. Never have, never will.

"I'm in the undecided category nine months before the first primary."

I can understand not settling on which of the conservative candidates to support, but surely you can rule out an admitted abortionist liberal. What's that all about?

[arasina]

"...but maybe you missed it in all the excitement...."

I misread that at first. I thought it said "...in all the excrement...."

I suppose either is fitting on this thread. LOL

[OMalley]

Good! Yes there is, havent seen a thread like this in quite awhile!

[dragnet2]

We've so poisoned the atmosphere here that if you're NOT against Rudy, you're suspect. What the hell is that all about?

What's it all about? It's not been pulled out of thin air. It's based on his actions and statements.

If someone claims to be conservative, yet supports a liberal who clearly isn't a conservative, why would others not be suspicious?

[Fiddlstix]

We have plenty of qualified conservative candidates that will not only whip Hillary's ass (with all of us behind him) but will knock the stuffings out of the foreign enemy as well. Rudy is toast!

Well Said!
C

[narses]

[NautiNurse]

We've so poisoned the atmosphere here that if you're NOT against Rudy, you're suspect. What the hell is that all about?

Yep--get with the program. Either you get on the record that Rudy Giuliani has never, ever said or done anything worthy of a positive word, or you are a Gun Grabbing, Abortion Loving, Homosexual Loving Liberal. The name calling is childish.

The situation is Code Red Nuts.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Hey, don’t cry to me.

Never was one one to do that. Never expected less. Salute.

[68 grunt]

... If you had any real courage, you’d tell Jim Robinson to his face, instead of filtering your insults through other freepers, and calling him names on anti-freeper websites.

Butch, you are genuinely full of crap. I happen to support JR. I don't support how the weasels try and make FR irrelevant. Like you do, on almost any thread, but especially the TS threads. You made a serious issue grist for ridicule. Nice work, butch.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Some guy who thinks he runs Free Republic writes:

Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Wait a second. My advisors are whispering something in my ear. Uh, huh. Uh, huh. Oh. He does. Oh, Ok....alright, it seems that Jim does run things here. I stand corrected.

Jim, the first 6 are undeniable and Rudy is guilty as charged...abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control.

But the last 4...socialism, tyranny etc, etc...It'll take me a good 45 minutes to read this entire thread, but my initial reaction is "let's be reasonable and fair". I don't see it.

[woofie]

Gee... more spam? Is it government issue?

[DCPatriot]

I agree with you on Giuliani...despite the consensus that he could win.

Prefer Fred Thompson...for a myriad of reasons.

But in the end, if the GOP flips the proverbial bird to us and serves us Rudy, he gets my vote as a vote against the Democratic Party candidate.

[Spiff]

Like I said, this isn't an immigration thread. I was just trying to be respond to your gratuitous insult.

The fact that Giuliani ran a sanctuary city for illegal aliens is mentioned in the title post of this thread. You said that conservatives hold an "extremist" view on immigration and you impliend that your "mainstream" view was more acceptable - but that you were still a conservative. I pointed out that your view on immigration differs little from the Democrats'. Now you want to dodge that. Fine, go run and hide. No conservative wants to hear your immigration views anyway.