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"Ismail Ax" and Islam: A Conjecture (Vanity)
Hajj - Dr. Ali Shariati ^ | 4/17/07 | Self

Posted on 04/17/2007 3:26:38 PM PDT by Cicero

You are like Ibrahim ... a great fighter against idolatry. ...

The axe was in his hand! . . . Ibrahim, the fighter of idolatry, came out of the house of "Azar", the idol-maker of his tribe. He broke the idols; he broke Nimrood. He fought against ignorance, oppression and passiveness. ...

You are like Ibrahim! Fight . . . This teaches you to be ready to jump into the fire for Jihad! ...

You are like Ibrahim! Sacrifice your Ismail. ... PUT THE BLADE AT YOUR SON'S THROAT SO THAT YOU MAY TAKE THE BLADE FROM THE EXECUTIONER'S HAND!

Ibrahim's life was filled with struggle when he reached this point- breaking the idols, fighting with Nimrod, tolerating his fire, struggling with Eblis, sacrificing his Ismail, migration, homelessness, loneliness torture, passage from the stage of prophecy to the stage of leadership, . . . from "the house of "Azar" to being "the builder of the ... Kaaba!

How wonderful! Ibrahim and Ismail built the Kaaba. Ibrahim and Ismail, one was saved from the fire and one saved from being sacrificed. ...

You, the builder of Kaaba ... the enemy of idolatry, the tribal leader, the fighter against oppression, ignorance and disbelief ... Everywhere else is insecure and shameful. The earth has become a huge polluted house of prostitution.

It is a slaughterhouse where everything but aggression and discrimination are forbidden.

Now that you are standing in Ibrahim's position and are going to play his role, live like him, be the architect of the Kaaba of your faith. Rescue your people ...

- Make your land a secure land, since you are in a safe area.

- Make the earth a sacred mosque, since you are in the holy mosque. - Since the earth is the "mosque of Allah".

(Excerpt) Read more at al-islam.org ...


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To: Cicero

you’re right. IF Cho was influenced by Jihad, the government will keep a lid on it as long as possible because declaring it immediately would imply that America has been attacked once again and has now become a region of urban WARFARE.

It took a week before the media actually said the Utah mall killer was muslim.


21 posted on 04/17/2007 3:51:42 PM PDT by doc maverick
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To: Charles Henrickson

Thanks. Yes, that’s certainly a possibility. In that case, is there any evidence that he knew about Ismail Ak? I hope they eventually publish the suicide note and any other relevant evidence that might help resolve these questions.


22 posted on 04/17/2007 3:52:37 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Maybe we should Ask the Imam...
23 posted on 04/17/2007 3:52:57 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Paved Paradise

That IS odd...considering that islam isn’t even a religion.


24 posted on 04/17/2007 3:53:48 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Charles Henrickson

PS. I’m a great fan of “Moby Dick,” but I don’t think that “Call me Ishmael” or “I alone have survived to tell thee” are relevant to this case.

Ishmael in Moby Dick is not the violent one, Ahab is.


25 posted on 04/17/2007 3:54:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I just asked the Imam, and got an error message:

“Cannot connect: Too many connections”

I guess everyone else is asking about this.


26 posted on 04/17/2007 3:55:32 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

An early thread mentioned this as a figure from American lit, which would make some sense. In those days personal names from Bible text were not uncommon.


27 posted on 04/17/2007 3:56:24 PM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: Cicero

My thoughts exactly.


28 posted on 04/17/2007 3:57:35 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: kms61

Your right, they should bury it like Oklahoma and FL 800. America couldn’t handle the truth, just ask clinton.

Pray for W and Va Tech


29 posted on 04/17/2007 3:59:07 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: Cicero

I posted this point on another thread first!

Story of Ibrahim, Ismail, and the ax here:

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm


30 posted on 04/17/2007 4:00:06 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Joe 6-pack
Maybe we should Ask the Imam...

LOL! Go ahead. I'll buy you a beer. :-)

31 posted on 04/17/2007 4:00:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Encourage illegal immigration! Maybe you too can be hit and killed by a drunk driver!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I look at that guy’s eyes and am waiting for the Satanic angle to come out. He may be in an agitational depression to some, or be a psychotic or sociopath to others but I see pure evil in those eyes...hellish evil.

F


32 posted on 04/17/2007 4:02:04 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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To: VeniVidiVici; Cicero

See #26. I’m getting the same reply.


33 posted on 04/17/2007 4:02:26 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Charles Henrickson
That seems more likely to me

It does? OK. Whatever.

The large red caps screamer has me convinced, for sure.

Backing away slowly. . .

34 posted on 04/17/2007 4:03:19 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: doc maverick

“It took a week before the media actually said the Utah mall killer was muslim.”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And here in Salt Lake City, the MSM is STILL asking the rhetorical “Why did he do it?”

Useful idiots!


35 posted on 04/17/2007 4:03:48 PM PDT by hotshu
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To: Joe 6-pack

Maybe the Imam’s at prayer.

Or at the local strip joint.

Try again later.


36 posted on 04/17/2007 4:05:04 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Encourage illegal immigration! Maybe you too can be hit and killed by a drunk driver!)
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To: Cicero

ping


37 posted on 04/17/2007 4:05:39 PM PDT by Richard from IL
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To: WashingtonSource

Yes. The story of Ibrahim and Ismail is familiar, Mohammed’s twisted version of the story in Genesis, which is apparently based on his acceptance of the Jewish tradition that the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael the outcast and wanderer. Mohammed took the story and retold it to put Ismael in the role of chosen son.

But I was struck by some of the other connections in the source I posted, including such elements as Jihad and the need to fight against “prostitution” as well as idolatry.


38 posted on 04/17/2007 4:08:04 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Jet Jaguar

A disturbed loner transfixed in games of violence... It fits.


39 posted on 04/17/2007 4:10:08 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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To: Cicero
According to the Muslim tradition, the Bible is wrong. Allah chose Ismael as the favored son, one of the prophets, and it was Ismael whom Ibraham (Abraham) took up on the mountain to sacrifice.

I know this, of course.

But as I was reading what you wrote, I wondered: What is the rest of the story?

Do the Islamic Swine think that Hagar was Ishmael's mother, or do they think Sarah was his mother? Or do they reverse the stories of these women? Or not pay any attention to the women at all? I'm asking, and too lazy to go look for myself right now.

ML/NJ

40 posted on 04/17/2007 4:10:21 PM PDT by ml/nj
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