Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
Are you implying that the Veterans on FR are for Rudy?
This chart shows Hunter's voting record, and Rudy's quotes. Please show me where I am wrong in thinking Hunter is the more conservative.
That's exactly how I feel.
Well, frankly, sometimes I am intentionally, and sometimes by accident (which is when I have to eat crow and apologize),
But little? At 6'5" and a well-honed 240lbs this Vet is still ready for action!
Giuliani's a statist - pure and simple. Who cares if he'll make the trains run on time? Right at home and where it counts, he's anti-life.
FYI! Very well written and what I am seeing here in the area I live in very Red State America.
Conservatives...Rudy...and enthusiasm don't belong in the same sentence...
"And the way that the anti-Rudy's have zoomed in to this thread like 'moths to a flame' confirms to me the correctness of my position stated above."
That is too funny, and sad if that is your line of reasoning to thinking you are correct.
Hitler could have said the same thing could he have not? Well the US is against me therefore I must be correct.
How so?"
Ummm...perhaps they feel threatened and are jumping all over themselves to 'shoot the messenger'?
Probably a lot of us are increasingly reluctant to step forward with our support after the way we've been treated on here lately. But the Republican Party does not belong to any one group, and that is a very fortunate reality. We'd never win if it did. Thanks for the post.
Oh man how I wish I could have seen the effect that chain gun had on their (Iranian I presume) armed oil platforms and PT boats!!
Good!
Because here's another......NO WAY!
You provincial, myopic, regionally-prejudiced rubes. Bwahaha!
I cannot generalize about all Vets here, but on the other threads (3000 combined posts last week) the folks who most readily agreed with me and PM'd me were a whole bunch of Vets.
So I went out on a limb a little and drew that conclusion.
I have been pushing this exact point for days, since gettin off the fence and throwing my support behind Rudy Giuliani, the man who was mayor of the city they attacked. Call it poetic justice...but just please, unleash the mayor on those Jihadist that dare to try to bring down my country.
I fear the terrorists and their hateful Jihad, not Rudy Giuliani.
"A principled conservative is one who does not 'shift in the wind'."
WHat a crock of horse manure, I have never read, seen, heard that discription as the ONLY one that makes a person a conservtive.
Well the Hillery who is an ardent Marxist is really a "CONSERVTIVE" by your mind set, SO I WILL VOTE FOR HER. She will never change her position from her Marxist beliefs.
Terrific! I'm making a note of that for when I REALLY screw something up.
You can then say, "Oh, she's made some mistakes in the past, but NOTHING like this CURRENT one," LOL! ;)
Feel free to ping the other Vets/Rudy supporters whom I have forgotten!
Lay off with the psycho babble. Learn to deal with the fact that the vast majority of this board has no use for Rudy Giuliani as candidate for POTUS.
You trot out the same old, same old over and over. And it's not getting you anywhere.
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