Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
I am sick of liberals in the Republican party, and I am tired already of the 300 posts per day here telling me that Rudy is something that he isn't. And that I am stupid or uneducated if I do not realize that he is the best man right now for the job.
Rudybots need to get real, stop assulting readers here on FR, and quit qhining when we post Rudy's record and his own words to prove he is not what yousay he is.
"Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE"
Come on give us a break here!
"get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'. "
Again, we get an insult as part of the propaganda being spewed out on this forum. As if I am the one that cannot see the big picture, I must be too stupid to understand so let me follow you and this poster to the promised land.
I know propaganda when I see it, and most Ridybot are posting just that.
You kinda proved ny point.
So take your meds.
Rudy is a power hungry leftist egomaniac control freak bully who has utter disdain for the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The guy mutt has more mental issues than Willard.
From a practical standpoint, there's no practical difference. 30,000 fewer permits, 30,000 law abiding citizens to become criminals, 30,000 handguns "off the streets".
Made possible, of course, because the permit is a defacto form of registration which Rudy supports.
I've occasionally alluded to the large number of new criminals the new assault weapon ban has probably created in Cook Co. (Chicago) Illinois. Thus far no articles on how many have been turned in to authorities.
Illinois licenses gunowners. I would not be shocked to see stories of LEOs visiting the homes of gunowners inquiring as to what they own, perhaps requesting a visual inspection. It's happened in Illinois before. Facilitated by the licensing requirement to own a gun.
A few years ago Mayor Daley attempted to get his hand on the purchase records the Clintons should have been destroying. That would have made the job easier.
And clearly Rudy would support these actions, ugly gun bans, handgun bans, and licensing.
Yes there is something "therapeutic" about electing a Soclialist to the WH, at some point the nation must see and learn how eveil Socialism really is, they could have done it the easy way but I guess not.
Rudy is only a few steps up the ladder from Hillery, so at best he is only a delay to the utopian world that awaits us all here in the US.
So I say shite, lets not delay this any longer, lets jump right into Socialism with both feet and all of the horror the left will bring upon us here.
Lets wallow in the filth and dirt and hold our ground but let the nation hang on the edge of distruction if need be.
It is time to take a stand, the US Constituion vs any other beliefs. Rudy for me is not the man, the fact he is being sold here to the degree he is troubles me to no end.
When the Socialists do take over, I will be one of the first sent for reeducation, and when that doesn't work and it won't they will have to figure out some other way to handle me.
"Give me liberty or give me death".
I am sick and tired of having people like Rudy, Hillery, Bush and others steal my earnings to give to people to get their votes.
Hitler marched Conservative, Capitalist, non-conforming jews to Socialisim to the gas chambers, Pol Pot did pretty much the same, as did N. Vietnam at the takeover.
It can happen here. People are sick of being lied to, stolen from, crooks have moe rights then the just.
Sometimes one must let the fever run it's course.
Rudy is but a step on the way to Soclialism here, I say remove the step and lets jump right in and get it over with.
The most learned and passionate speeches and arguments in the world will not induce mt to vote for or in any way support what is essentially a radical socialist plant in what has been until lately an at least nominally conservative party. I am not ready to turn over the entire American political spectrum to the Trotskyites.
I don't think he will get the nod, but as I said it seems we get a post for him every fifteen minutes.
And all who do not fall at his feet are the unwashed and uneducated.
Frm a recent article about Rudy posted here:
Nor is former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani any better. Although he seems tough on terrorism and crime—both of which should be a matter of course for any Republican, not cause for surprise—he is as Liberal as it gets on almost every other issue. Giuliani is pro-abortion—a deal-breaker for most Conservatives—and anti-gun, citing gun control instead of aggressive prosecution of criminals as the reason for the drop in crime during his tenure. His stance on gay “marriage” is ambiguous at best, and he once sued the federal government when he was blocked from prosecuting city employees who helped the INS catch illegal immigrants. Giuliani claims to favor originalist judges like Supreme Court Justices Scalia and Thomas, but the record shows that he appointed Liberal Democrats to judicial positions by a factor of eight to one.
I'll tell you what is NOT a good plan. Putting a candidate out there that is divisive and polarizing to the party. One that has such negativity among a great many of it's members. Why not try to find a candidate that we can all live with? I realize I'll never find that 100% - heck, I'll be happy with 75%. If everyone gives 25%, maybe we can back someone that doesn't bring up such violent opposition as Rudy.
I'm honest enough to admit that many Christians do not behave "Christ like" either, and do not follow the tenets of the Bible.
I'm willin' to forgive an awful lot. Rudy can sell me if he runs on an aggressive, non-PC WoT and on reforming the Federal government.
He ain't runnin' on these things, as far as I can tell. So I ain't votin' for him.
The sad fact is, Lieberman, a Democrat, is to the right of Rudy on most things. If Lieberman was running against Rudy, I'd vote for him.
One note about the judges he appointed: he was limited in choice by what candidates were available (there was a list, I think), and by having to get approval for 'em.
I still ain't votin' for Rudy unless someone gives me a much better reason that "he's electable."
One note about the judges he appointed: he was limited in choice by what candidates were available (there was a list, I think), and by having to get approval for 'em.
I still ain't votin' for Rudy unless someone gives me a much better reason that "he's electable."
The truth is that you are a pro-abort just like the Blue State secularist you support for President. Not only that, but you are a very vulgar one. You should take that "pile of sand" you mentioned and stop up your potty mouth with it.
No I am not a crackpot, and yes if we keep following the road to Socailism it can happen here to.
I never said W would do anything, but I am not happy with some of the thing he has done.
But I woiuld at least like a chance to vote for someone that if on the right of the chart, and he is, but Rudy come on.
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