Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
From Meet The Depressed with Russert:
[But when a]sked by Tim Russert on “Meet the Press” in 2000 if he supported President Bill Clinton’s veto of a law that would have banned the disputed abortion procedure, Mr. Giuliani said, “I would vote to preserve the option for women.” He added, “I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else.”
Rudy is a liar.
L
From 1997: [O]n a 1997 candidate questionnaire from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League of New York, which Mr. Giuliani completed and signed, he marked “yes” to the question: Would you oppose legislation “requiring a minor to obtain permission from a parent or from a court before obtaining an abortion.”
Rudy wants your 14 year old daughter to be able to get an abortion without your knowledge or consent. If she wants to get her ears pierced, she needs parental consent. If she wants to get a tattoo, she needs parental consent.
But if your 14 year old daughter wants an abortion, Rudy thinks you have no right to even know about it.
He's a liar and a fraud.
L
Here's his position:
One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.
Rudy is a fraud.
L
Excellent article. Thanks
Your posts have been nailing Rudy. LOL! Good job!
It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
L
I did look it up, well before today. I looked it up again to verify my memory. Now I'm telling you to back up your assertion - what were the paper reporting requirements you referenced? And this selling guns to children is a new assertion, so why don't you provide a reference for that as well?
Truth hurts but there it is, Rino Rudy will split the party.
Dear RINO Rudy Supporters,
I want to thank you for your wonderful support in helping to get me elected. Bill and I are so thrilled to be back in the White House again. Your active support for Rudy and getting him nominated was the key to me winning. Without your help Bill and I would not be here today.
Affectionately Yours,
President Hillary Rodman
P.S. I plan to nominate Rudy to the Supreme Court as soon as there is a vacancy. He will help us tilt the court back in our favor and assure that millions more unborn babies will never see the light of day. After all, it's every woman's right!
P.S.S. As you recall, my campaign slogan was, "We're Going to Take Things Away From You on Behalf of the Common Good" ALL YOUR POSSESIONS BELONG TO ME---SUCKER!!!! YEEHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Again, he did not REVOKE permits; he turned the automatic renewal into a new process that made it extremely difficult to renew.
Thanks for the clarification...
*engaging brain*
There...got it.
Oh, that is so weak. It is always the regular citizens who are hampered from getting guns, not criminals, whoi will always have guns no matter what laws are passed. It is RIDICULOUS for you to state that "more thugs got their hands on even more guns" as a result of the city losing their lawsuit. You have no way of knowing the exact number or provenance of illegal weapons before and after the suit was filed. Neither did Rudy.
If he did, he could have gone after the illegal suppliers in his own city rather than the legitimate manufacturers of a legal product. Problem solved, with everyone's rights intact. That wasn't good enough for Rudy, who for all his talk of "freedom" and "choices" is at best a major-league CONTROL FREAK when it comes to handguns, with which he is IRRATIONALLY OBSESSED.
Rudy is not a conservative he is a Liberal. She is just a little more to the left then he is.
My position is do not elect a RINO, but instead put a Socialist in the WH and lets let this fever run its course.
Rudy would do nothing more then slow the train down towards a Socialist USA, and not by much.
So lets get it down and deal with the Socialists in office.
The Republican Party has been infected by Liberals that the only reson they joined was so they dould co-opt the Conservative movement.
A Liberal is a Liberal no matter what party, and I am sick of them.
Never!
That's ridiculous. There is nothing therapeutic about letting socialists gain power. The State ends up taking a life of its own, enabling ambitious tyrants to climb the ladder of power.
Once you get universal government health care in the United States, for example, we will *never* get rid of it. I can't think of a single capitalist country that has gotten rid of socialized medicine once it is enabled. Politicians will get called haters of the children, of the poor, of the elderly, and basically enemies of the dependent classes the government creates.
Social issues, in contrast, are far more malleable, and the worst case with Rudy is that he maintains the status quo in that realm.
Rudy has the same position on partial birth abortion as FR's darling Hunen Dunker.
You seem really shook about Rudy ...if he's such a wild eyed liberal then he won't get the nod ..so whats up with all the hysteria?
WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS
How can this be true other you and he says it is when he supports aministy for illegal aliens?
and how is he "tough" on the war on terror?
"tough on terror" is just a phrase and actually means nothing. The Clintons and Janet Reno were "tough on terror" also. If you don't believe that just ask one of the Branch Davidians and legitimate firearm collectors and owners they terrorized and imprisoned and killed.
I do not personally want someonr who is "tough on terror".
I want someone who will adhere to the Constitution of the United States of America. There are provisions in it to deal with terrorists.
For all the Rudy tootere out there who claim to be Conservative just remember that a leopard cannot change his spots.
It is not altogether true that a President does not enact law[s]. He has the authority to issue Exercutive Orders which have the force , until overturned by Congress, of law. Also he has a tremendous influence on which laws will be enacted.
Oh, but that's not a flame, right?
Since you decided to personalize this, let's take this in order: (1) You still didn't answer my question, you moron: How does my vote in a presidential election effect the status of my immortal soul?
(2) Giuliani can win; none of the pro-life candidates currently declared can. I'd prefer Giuliani to Hillary, Edwards, Dodd, Obama, et. al.
(3) Your "intellect" makes me want to re-consider my position on the abortion issue. Why don't you pound a big pile of sand up your rectum?
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