"Vote for me or die!"
Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
Imagine that. People on a conservative forum using a candidates conservative credentials --- or lack there of ---as a basis for supporting or opposing them.
You can't be serious. The starting point for choosing a candidate around Free Republic is whether or not that candidate is a conservative. That is the primary basis, the basic reasoning FReepers employ when evaluating political candidates. If a candidate has no conservative credentials --- like Rudy Giuliani --- he has no chance of gaining a majority of support on this forum. Period!
I did nothing of the sort. I posted the facts about Rudy`s record. Obviously, that upset you. Too bad. Btw, they're not DNC talking points. That is one of the dumbest, most ignorant claims ever made on FR.
"Just another Rudybot vanity in support of a liberal big govt, pro-abort, amnesty, gay rights, human caused-global warming, gun grabbing kook. No thanks."
If anything, that sounds like conservative talking points to me. You might want to revise and extend your remarks. OTOH, maybe just leave them stand for posterity. LOL
"Vote for me or die!"
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani
Well, you have a good sense of humor. We are all going to need that before this is all said and done.
I remember that election! Walking through the living room where my parents were watching the news and hearing mom say "Oh NO! How could this happen?"
I looked at the TV and think I saw a map - showing he had won... everywhere.
And that is how I knew Ronald Reagan had become our President.
"I've come for your babies and your guns. You can have gays and illegals. Take it, or leave it."
I happen to be very familiar with adoption & about the only option here in this country for people wanting to adopt is through private adoption - which is very expensive - or to adopt a baby from a foreign country. The latter option is getting increasingly more difficult too as abortion is cutting into the available babies to adopt abroad as well.
The reason I said that what you said was crude & cruel is because I am a woman who has been unable to have a child of my own & my only options to become a mother have been through adoption. What you said was hurtful and offensive to me and I'm sure to anyone who has had to endure the painful process of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby.
You may call yourself a conservative, but I'll tell you what comes through to me when I read most of your comments - you seem to be quite arrogant and dismissive of anyone that disagrees with you. You have the right to support any candidate you choose, just as I have the right to do the same. Rudy's supporters are certainly in the minority on this site - and this being a CONSERVATIVE site - most people here are going to resent it when someone tries to tell us that Rudy is going to be our candidate & if we don't vote for him, we are called all sorts of names and insulted as to our religion and what part of the country we come from, as well as being blamed for all of the ills that Hillary would inflict on us.
As you can tell, from the tone of this thread - we are tired of it! It is no one's business who we will or will not vote for if it comes down to Hillary! versus Rudy! and this "demanding" an answer is not winning over converts for your cause.
I know you won't, but next time something smug, arrogant or elitist - starts to give birth out of your mouth - you might stop & think - "Is this going to help or hurt my cause?"
There should be a limit on these vanities. At the very least, you should be sending a bill to the Giuliani campaign. And charge them by the word.
Go ahead and put that one a bumper sticker. I dare you. You'll be looking at ten can pile-ups in your rear-view mirror because distracted drivers will be laughing so hard.
Seriously, man. That's cornier than ethanol.
"Also, a lot of people are using a candidate's conservative credentials as a basis for their support."
You have got to be kidding! That's the most ridiculous post on this thread so far. As far as I'm concerned you just revealed yourself for what you are...a liberal troll!
All kidding aside, just how conservative is George W. Bush. I know that's not the issue right now. But, it seems to me this president is only a social conservative and a 'kick al Qaeda's ass' conservative. But on spending, immigration, entitlements, education...he is left of center, or as they say around here - he's a liberal. Just wanted to counter the "all conservatives think one way" mentality prevalent on this forum.
You're really stepping in it today. One dumb remark after another. You need to get informed, or else this will be your MO from now on.
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At least with President Hillary in the White House, we could probably find 40 Republicans to stand up against socialism.
But if President Rudy is pushing the same socialist agenda, conservative Republicans will fold.
Many candidates talk about being conservative, but it's what you do that will distinguish you as a conservative.
As mayor, Rudy Giuliani applied conservative principles to accomplish conservative goals, such as:
Privatizing city-owned apartments, cutting taxes 23 times and returning billions to the taxpayers of New York (look at the comptroller's budget report for fiscal year 1999), increasing and reorganizing the police department which successfully reduced overall crime by 53 per cent and the murder rate by 67 per cent, improving quality of life issues through aggressive policing, removing over 600,000 people from welfare roles through tough work requirement.
You were saying?
LOL!
Ditto that. And the more people hear Romney speak on Iran and the war on radical Islam, the more they'll understand that he has a much clearer idea of what to do about it.
I'm not crazy about Mitt's stated reason for his conversion on abortion (I kind of think he was lying to Massachusettes voters when he said he was pro-choice... and that does bother me), but on everything else, I like Romney more and more with each passing day.
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives . . .
LOL. You've really got to be kidding me.
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