Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
At least you gave a direct answer. Thank you.
See post # 340.
I am well aware of what FR stands for, and I concur with that. The problem is there is a disagreement on what "standing for" something means.
Does it mean working hard in the primaries to nominate a suitable candidate, and if that fails, handing the election to the Rats on a silver platter?
Or does it mean working hard in the primaries to nominate a suitable candidate, and if that fails, continuing to work together to defeat the Rat Machine and all it entails?
"I was open-minded on Rudy...a couple of weeks ago." Hogwash - you have been openly pro-Rudy since at least November. AND you guaranteed the Tigers would win the World Series. You seem to have a tendency to back the front-runners, just because they are. Try backing something because it is RIGHT!
Way too early to make that conclusion.
And I've pointed out that, even in Shakespeare's time, all female parts were played by male actors. All of them, including Juliet, Ophelia, Desdemona, etc. I'd think that some of the "socons" would approve of that since it means that the women were barefoot and pregnant, just the way they're supposed to be. /sarc
So you're saying that so many firearms were shipped to the N.Y.C. market that the prices dropped below cost? That's what happens when a market is flooded. At minimum, if a regional market is flooded, prices there will be below prices elsewhere. Did that happen in N.Y.C.?
If a firearm dealer has 20 Lorcins on the shelf and someone walks in and buys the lot, the dealer will be required by statute and regulation to inform the BATF but not the manufacturer or distributor. If the BATF doesn't do anything with the information, how is that the manufacturer's or distributor's fault?
Your answer to Rudy is no.
I am completely cool with that. However, I want a realistic Plan B to be laid out.
Who is that? McCain?
Romney?
Pat Paulsen, whom I think is dead?
If we're going to sit around for the next 20 months ripping each other a new one with no viable plan, it's going to get pretty darn old. It already has.
I just did a google search. I can't find any information that Rudy Giuliani revoked 27,000 gun permits. Can you help me find that information?
Maybe he had a reason? /sarc
If you actually scrolled through that many of my past posts, you must have WAY too much time on your hands!!I have no clue what I said about Rudy in November, I may well have stated that I supported him then, but I was open to Mitt as well - I am no longer, however..
Lets not confuse anybody with facts here.
There are literally thousands of people alive today in NYC who would have been murdered if not for the Giuliani crime fighting strategy.
No canidate is perfect but if the job is win the WH in 2008 the other guys don't even come close.
Control of the armed forces is nothing to screw around with, the GOP must retain the Presidency in 2008.
See if I back you up again. ;^) /s
You are freaking kidding me! Your tag line is...
"Democratic approach to Iraq would "validate the al-Qaeda strategy"
...and you would vote for Hillary over Rudy. What are you smoking?
Hahahaha, OK, another post saved.
My personal opinion is that Ted Olsen believes he was slighted when Bush didn't nominate him to the Supreme Court. There is no doubt in my mind that this is what his ultimate goal is. So, he signs on as an adviser to Rudy and if Rudy wins he will be well-positioned for an appointment. He WILL NOT be in a campaign position where he needs to be critical of other candidates, so if someone else wins the nomination he will have no problem switching campaigns.
You can call yourself whatever you wish. You can call yourself a Rhode Island Red. That don't mean you're gonna start laying eggs.
Rudy is a fraud for calling himself conservative. You're a fraud for repeating it.
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Olson is too old to be a SCT nominee.... he's close to 70...
"Does it mean working hard in the primaries to nominate a suitable candidate, and if that fails, handing the election to the Rats on a silver platter?"
Yes, but that's not what I see happening. All I see are a bunch of beaten down "conservatives" giving up with out a fight. They believe we lost the last election because we weren't democrat enough. And the fear everyone has towards Hillary, frankly, is a bit unbecoming for conservative warriors.
Rudy is unsuitable to me because of his stand on abortion, but that is only one of many reservations I have about him. But abortion is the only one I need.
We do need to defeat the Rat machine, but rudy is just not the one to do it.
That doesn't mean he doesn't think he deserved it for Florida 2000.
It won't be 20 months. Eight to ten at the most.
By that time every candidate will be in or out and history has shown that screen names will be expected to back the (R) candidate (whomever that may be) to prevent the (D) candidate or suffer the consequences.
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