Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
Me too. :-)
what's the alternative - fold? we have a two party system in this country, you can't expect one party to "fold" in the presidential race, just to appease the socon portion of its base, who on their own cannot provide enough votes to elect a president (or a senator for that matter, that's why I used the Harris analogy).
Good. That settles that.
BTW, who IS going to win the nomination?
"...pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America"
Yep, easy to understand. Clear. Conservative. Not Rudy. Not now. Not never.
It did. I admit it. You're too good.
"Rudy nomination will result in disaster for downticket races"
You are absolutely right! The losses from depressed voter turnout would be staggering.
Seeing as our only other choice will be the socialist crook Beast/Hussein Obama ticket, I expect I will be doing the same.
This talking about the likes of Hunter/Romney/Gingrich as the GOP canidate is fine during the primary season but patently absurd when it comes to brass tacks.
They can't win the WH, Giuliani will.
Have you ever seen the movie SOUTH PACIFIC, or read the Mitchner book that the original stage play was based on, which the movie was then made from? In that book, a sailor DRESSES UP AS A WOMAN, in the same way Rudy did, FOR A SKIT ( except Rudy did it for CHAIRTY! ), on a South Pacific island and that character was neither a "cross dresser, nor a homosexual.
James Mitchner based the novel on FACTS and was written about things that happened in the 1940s.
"HAIRY LEG SHOWS" have a long history in America, from colonial times to the present. Men and boys have taken part in them who are not and never were "cross dressers", in order to raise money.
Now, I realize that you imagine that this is going to somehow destroy Rudy's political aspirations, but the truth of the matter is, the more you and your ilk post the pictures/post about this, completely out of context, makes you look like a bunch of very desperate, silly, ultra provincial, uneducated Know Nothings.
What I can't figure out is why you are reluctant to state a direct answer.
Anyway, thanks.
Good, bookmark my post. BTW, those "independents" you cite are either not going to vote or will vote for the Dem since Giuliani and Hillary's positions will be virtually identical.
Whoever I end up supporting has to be someone who the troops can depend on to be out front for them. I keep thinking someone else will step into the breach. If they don't, then I'm going to have to make a decision between those who are in it now. But I'm not making any decision until I hear them stand up and debate each other.
"BTW, your Rudy/Caligula comparison is the EXACT kind of unfair, insulting, and over-the-top commentary that ignited me (and many other fair-minded Freepers) recently. It is counter-productive and does nothing but sow division and hard feelings."
And your "veterans support Rudy" BarbraStriesand sows peace and harmony? This veteran will NEVER support a baby-killing, gun-grabbing LIBERAL like McGiuliRomney. Your boy, Rudy, represents NOTHING that I believe in or hold dear, especially the CONSTITUTION, which is the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, in case you were wondering. That you could support someone so dead set AGAINST the Constitution tells me you never took your oath to support it (against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC) very seriously. Oh... and I suspect there may be more than a grain of truth in the Rudy/Caligula comparison. Unfair it may be, truth can be that way sometimes.
I'll bet that you didn't know that he was "well-honed".
Oh good one! Humor, I do appreciate that!
I happen to fall into the first group, as do most of the Rudy supporters on this site; yet I have been told that I am in the latter group, or worse.
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