Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
With NYC being a sanctuary city for illegals and Rudy for amnesty, that alone is enough not to give any support his way.
What many on FR don't understand, we in Southern Calif.
especially here in San Diego, are at the other front in the War on Terror.
Southern Calif. has million + illegals.
It is costing we tax payers in Calif. over 3 billion a year to support the illegals with health care, food, housing, education and their mega crimes.
We don't need anymore people supporting illegals and the cost both in money and the loss of our heritage.
I am around 20 miles north of the largest and busiest border crossing in the world. San Diego - Tijuana.
The kidnappings, mega milions in drug traffic, beheadings,
and worse has to stop not encouraged.
From my perspective, the abortion issue is second in importance in the WOT. If Mom and her fetus are dead, then abortion isn't an issue. Is it?
As for the RKBA; only those among us who are armed and have the guts to defend our country on our soil will be in a position to do so.
In my estimation, the WOT terror consists of three elements
1) Fighting terrorists overseas
2) Enforcing immigration laws keeping would-be terrorists out
3) Allowing Americans to remain armed to fight the inevitable battle on our streets. Unless we want to take the easy way out, as Spain and France have.
Just my $.02.
Yes he is.
In favor of partial birth infanticide?
Vote for Rudy.
In favor of a 'strengthened' assault weapons ban?
Vote for Rudy.
In favor of mandatory Federal licensing for handguns?
Vote for Rudy.
In favor of McCain-Feingold?
Vote for Rudy.
In favor of amnesty for illegal aliens?
Vote for Rudy.
In favor of 'gay rights'?
Vote for Rudy.
In favor of being forced at the point of a government gun to pay for someone elses abortion?
Vote for Rudy.
Have I missed anything?
Rudy is a fraud. He's an anti-Constitutional Statist. He's unacceptable under any circumstances.
L
Rudy campaign? Do you hear that? I am here!!! So pay me!!!!!!!!
Oh for heaven's sake. Doesn't anyone on this board look for peoples' state flags anymore?
I was ribbing a fellow ex-New Yorker.
Oh, yeah, he's a great guy. His first wife remained extremely loyal to him while he was a prisoner, and didn't even inform him that she had been critically injured in a car accident so as not to put more of a burden on him. This "wonderful" guy
came home and dumped her for an heiress.
Oh, he is also insane. Good luck with that on FR.
(Before you jump on that - you couldn't get a carry permit before Giuliani became mayor, and you couldn't get a carry permit after Giuliani became mayor. So, what's the problem?)
Shortly into his administration, approximately 1000 people fewer where murdered - each year. He reduced the murder rate by over 60 per cent. And I still got my carry permit.
Rudy Giuliani doesn't like the Bill of Rights? What an absurd statement to make.
Why would you sell your soul (literally - if you are a Baptist I assume you believe what God says in His Word) to support Rudy?
Anyone ethusiastic about that is either not conservative or one that is brain-dead.
How are YOU being "forced to pay" for someone's abortion?
You keep misusing the term RINO, to the point where it is meaningless. You're going to have to come up with your own word/term.
so Ted Olson has joined his team - to ensure Roe remains in place, is that it?
Check your facts. Check your NYC history 1993-2001.
The media HATED HATED HATED Rudy.
Every day was a battle. Every press conference was a war.
And he kicked their sorry socialist asses. Every day for eight years.
READ MY LIPS "THEY LOVE HIM NOW AND ARE PROMOTING HIM TO NO END"
What I don't understand (I live in New Hampshire, far, far away from the situation you are describing) - what I don't understand is, if it is as bad as you say, and you still elect your state and local government, why do your state and local governments support and facilitate all that illegal immigration?
SOMEBODY out there - in fact, a LOT of somebodies out there - must be fine with it.
Rudy has demonstrated that he is a gun-grabber who does not believe that gun-grabbing should be limitted to legislatures.
Perhaps you believe a person can be a hard-core gun-grabber and yet not be a socialist or RINO. Fair enough. But I don't intend to support a gun-grabber no matter what label is applied to him.
1) Fighting terrorists overseas
Rudy appears to support this, but he hasn't definetely said so one way or the other.
2) Enforcing immigration laws keeping would-be terrorists out
Rudy ran a 'sanctuary city' forbidding local cops from asking anyone about their immigration status. Rudy fails this test.
3) Allowing Americans to remain armed to fight the inevitable battle on our streets
Rudy wants to 'reauthorize and strengthen' the AWB. He's also in favor of mandatory Federal licensing for all handguns. Rudy fails this test.
So of your three points Rudy may, and I do stress may, support the war in Iraq. But on the other two he's a miserable failure.
Add to those failures his positions on abortion, gay 'rights', and the 1st Amdendment and he's a non-starter.
Rudy is lying to you when he says he's a 'conservative'. It's that simple.
L
I want government out of the social engineering business. Don't you?
Apparently my sarcasm-in-support-of-your-sarcasm went right over your head.
"And he kicked their sorry socialist asses."
He is also a Socialist, and yes they do sometimes fight each other.
Al, no offense intended, but you really do come off as pompous when you make statements like that.
This is a PRIMARY election, FO. What part of the PRIMARIES don't you understand?
There is no obligation for conservatives to jump on the Rudy bandwagon right now. If Rudy wins the nomination, I'll either bring an industrial-sized clothespin to the voting booth or move to French Polynesia, but I'm not going to support him now.
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