WHY ALL CONSERVATIVES SHOULD SUPPORT RUDY WITH ENTHUSIASM IN 2008

A CONSERVATIVE BUT RATIONAL MIND | 3/4/2007 | AL SIMMONS

[Al Simmons]

One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:

"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."

MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.

The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.

Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.

Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.

Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).

So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.

Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.

I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.

Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.

Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:

Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.

THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).

So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?

Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.

That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.

So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.

Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.

He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.

But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.

It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.

Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.

Over and out!

[hellinahandcart]

This how the MSM portrays Southerners.

It is how YOU characterized people who don't want Rudy to be their president.

Do you read your own words? Sheesh.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Sorry, social issues DOES matter. I used to support Rudy on the basis that social issues were best left to the states. But this is an invalid argument. Federal judges have usurped and twisted the laws in favor of liberal ideology, and with Rudy supporting ALL of the Left's poisonous social agenda, it is critical that we support a President who will appoint judges who are originalists, and there is no proof that Rudy, again because of his ULTRA-LIBERAL social beliefs, will do this.

There is no moderate stand on abortion. You are either pro-life or you support the pro-death abortion crowd. My gun rights are non-negotiable. Again, I was hoping that Rudy would take a stand that he'll defend our GUARANTEED 2nd Amendment rights, but he reiterated that he is pro-gun control and in fact bragged about how gun-control lowered crime in NYC, which is a crock of venison.

You and others can continue to shill for a pro-abortion, pro-gun control, and pro-gay rights candidate who is thrice divorced and has a Bill O'Reilly streak in him. There isn't even a guarantee that Rudy will be the tax-cutting, entitlement-reforming Republican that he claims to be. Why you and other Rudybots are shilling for the most liberal Republican presidential candidate since Wendell Willkie in 1940 so early is telling. Wake up and smell the coffee like I did. I was ready to support Rudy until he refused to repudiate his liberal stand on social issues.

[madprof98]

You posted this:

I'm a Southerner (thank you, Lord). I'm pro-gun. Pro-life. I'm a Southern Baptist.

And I'm voting for Rudy Giuliani in '08.

Your syntax is off. Let me help you:

I'm a Southerner (thank you, Lord). I'm pro-gun. Pro-life. I'm a Southern Baptist.

AndBut I'm voting for Rudy Giuliani in '08.

To make your meaning really clear, you should substitute for the deleted "and" a sentence like this: But the hell with all that mess! and then tell us you're voting for the Blue-State anti-gun, pro-death, apostate-Catholic candidate.

[TigersEye]

You provincial, myopic, regionally-prejudiced rubes. Bwahaha!

Well, Okey dokie. Since you've cornered me and tarred me with that brush I guess I'll have to change my....HEY WAIT! ... I'm not the provincial, myopic, regionally-prejudiced rube here. Sheeucks, I almost fell fer thet there reeverse prejjy dishal hoo ha. /s

[NittanyLion]

In between the flamethrowers and verbal brickbats in these threads, there actually HAS been a rational discussion going on among many people. And that is the type of discussion that FR was designed to foster.

Certainly no thanks to you and your pompous vanities.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Did you notice who the first Nay was?

LOL! The Head FReeper himself!

[wouldntbprudent]

Jim, I'm wondering if you're declaring here and now that, if Rudy Giuliani were to get the Republican nomination, you would either not vote or vote third party. Could you clarify that for me, please?

[madprof98]

Edwards has them on staff, why not Rudy?

Frankly, Edwards' bloggers were more endearing. At least their candidate was a good match for their rhetoric and their political philosophy.

[Liz]

Pretentious motherf..... unbelievable.

Damn. Wish I had said that......thanks.

[Liberty Valance]

Way too early still. I want to see a debate first.

[Cobra64]

"Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, ..."

Part of the WOT is enforcing illegal immigration laws. By not doing this, why don't we just invite all the worlds teerorist in for permanent residency and give them IEDs, gas, and other assorted goodies to blow up our schools, homes, office buildings and infrastructure.

It is my understanding that Rudy wants to grant amnesty for all illegal immigrants already here and for future generations.

BTW, I was a strong Rudy supporter until I heard about this and his anti Second Amendment stance. Gun ownership goes hand-in-hand with the WOT because we will see these guys at a home near you.

And I'm going to be ready with this:

[supercat]

Next was a two term traitor, who some people think was conservative.

While X42 wasn't conservative, he wasn't terribly liberal. He was more interested in Lewinski than politics.

[nopardons]

No, he isn't a SOCIALIST and neither is he a RINO. Words have meanings, which ARE "set in stone", so to speak and all the misuse and abuse of words, now being done on this forum will not change the meaning of words or terms.

As mayor, WHAT did Rudy "socialized"? Please state them all and in detail.

[stockpirate]

It is time to leave this tread as I am sure by now another PRO Rudy Patudie tread has be posted by now.

Aren't they posting like one every 6.4 minutes?

[Politicalmom]

He is flip-flopping like crazy on partial birth abortion.

[Al Simmons]

"This pimp for Rudy thinks FDR was the third best president so he never was a conservative just a troll socialist."*ROTFLMAO*

So lesse - my life-long membership in the Federalist Society since its founding, meeting and learning from/discussing Constitutional law with both Judge Bork and Justice Scalia, enthusiastic support of RR (attended his second inaugural and balls afterwards), work for the Senate majority in 1982, service in the military (including sleeping a .9 mil for 12 months in a combat zone), and refusing to watch a SINGLE Clinton speech/press conference for 8 years (excepting one when he talked at our military base and we were ORDERED TO ATTEND) counts for nothing?

Boy I guess THAT really sounds like the CV of a 'troll socialist'!!

[michigander]

McCain is my guy.

I hope you have a fireproof set of full body armor handy newb.

LMAO!

[endthematrix]

Reminds me of Mom when she used to say, "Oh you'll have pancakes...and love 'em!"

[stockpirate]

"It it the case that we can either have a good WOT president or a non-sociailist president but not both? Bush has been a good WOT president but the most socialist since FDR. I'd like to find someone who is good on the WOT and is not a socialist."

Here HERE!

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

He may or may not be a fiscal conservative

His "fiscal conservatism" in NYC is the equivalent of a McDonald's restaurant opening up in North Korea. NYC was so mired in New Deal socialism that a hundredth of a percent tax cut would have labeled anybody governing that city at the time a conservative. That said, Rudy isn't exactly Milton Freidman.