Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
"Neither do we approve of men (and I'm starting of weary of the word "men" because I am not sure he is fully masculine) who march in Gay Pride Parades right behind the despicable NAMBLA crowd clapping his hands "
Well I am no southerner BUT I won't vote for him!
Check your facts. Check your NYC history 1993-2001.
The media HATED HATED HATED Rudy.
Every day was a battle. Every press conference was a war.
And he kicked their sorry socialist asses. Every day for eight years.
I am coining a new phrase for you folks (not you Howlin,Al) - the "Katherine Harris" wing of the republican party. Because you are asking the party to do at the Presidential level, what you insisted it do in Florida when it nominated Harris for senate. We told you - she can't win. We told you 10000 times, but still you insisted it be done, and the base was able to get her nominated.
in a state that George Bush won twice, Harris got 38.1% of the vote. and you want us to repeat that model in the presidential race, with a candidate like Hunter.
He has almost zero support on this board. Thought I would clue you in on that on your first day here.
Like your's, my regional prejudice is God's Word, and I cannot and will not worship Molech, not even for a victory in the WOT
It was a joke. cyborg and I both lived in New York City during the Giuliani reign.
So did many other freepers who do not support him now.
EVERY GOP candidate supports the war on terror, so I will be supporting a real conservative.
I don't have to make up my mind until February of next year at the earliest (depends on whether Texas is moving its primary to Feb 5).
I am utterly disgusted at the tone here at FR in the past couple of weeks. We are at each other's throats. We're engaging in spam. We're calling each other liberal cretins or worse.
ENOUGH!!
Do we really have to endure 20 more months of a foodfight here before we elect the next President?
I'm not happy with ANY of the announced candidates so far. And I'm not sure my white knight in shining armor is going to ride in to the save the day.
I hate what I'm seeing here and I don't understand why it has to be going on. I'm not at all sure I have the patience to put up with it for 20 more months. I'm more than tired of it after a couple of weeks.
Carry on. I'm leaving the cafeteria for now.
Whoa! And why don't you stop trying to censor free speech?
It's criminal, probably a hate crime, not to support the best Democrat running on the Republican ticket.
The dragon is liberalism, not just democrats, but rinos, of which rudy is one, as well.
I was agreeing with you. And that's no joke.
Umm..I'm not so sure about that. In between the flamethrowers and verbal brickbats in these threads, there actually HAS been a rational discussion going on among many people. And that is the type of discussion that FR was designed to foster.
It is out of the fire that metal comes out stronger. If FR was a forum where everyone marched in lock-step it would soon dry on the vine.
Sorry but your man Rudy is notihng more than an anti-life Socialist.
let me get this straight - you believe NYC, DECLINED, under Rudy's mayoralty?
as soon as Rudy stops supporting and enabling illegal immigrants.
I wish everyone who's gone overboard with their straight no responses would have your clear-eyed view.
NOW is the time to get a conservative candidate...but who exactly is that?
And which conservative is going to beat HRC Obama? We go on endlessly around here about the MSM--do you really believe they're going to allow a hardcore conservative to be portrayed as anything but a Buchananoid Anti-Christ in THEIR media?
We can be all bellowing "Hell no!" here, and that may make us feel all cool and hardcore. But if Hillary wins, we sure are going to sound stupid if we're proudly proclaiming "I didn't vote for Rudy because he wasn't conservative enough!" while the WOT collapses.
Fight for a real conservative to be the nom, but if Rudy ends up being the nom, and you don't vote for him, then you're opening the door for HRC and the end of the WOT...and what difference will Rudy's abortion stand make if we're all dead?
Those are the facts. After this past November it looks like many so-called conservatives don't care about those, as long as they get to bray "I didn't support a non-conservative."
Seeing how Bush isn't conservative enough for those folks, I find it curious why they would stand by while a congress was elected that is against Bush's tax cuts, against the WOT, against his SCOTUS nominees, but FOR his illegal immigration policy. I've yet to hear how THAT helps the conservative cause.
Similarly, if it comes down to Rudy vs. HRC, I don't see how a vote for Hillary--or not voting for Rudy, which is the same as giving Hillary a vote in the final accounting--helps conservatives, either.
Are you saying that if Rudy is the GOP presidential candidate in '08, that you won't support him?
Then Rudy should run for local congressional office.
Sorry to break the news to you, but that ISN'T the POTUS job.
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