Then you are no longer a conservative.Take out membership in the Dem party.
Posted on 02/24/2007 10:59:08 AM PST by Blackirish
snip/National upshot: Rudy's electoral vote position against Hillary is much stronger than Bush's against Kerry. Rudy puts almost the whole East into play and is significantly stronger in several target states in the Midwest and West. Hillary puts some states into play in the South but with many fewer electoral votes than Rudy does elsewhere. Even if you assume that Hillary is stronger against Rudy today than she was in July, the pairing does place the Republicans in a stronger position than Bush was in '04.
ping to post #160, since I mentioned you.
Social conservatives are a minority...the primaries this year will prove it just as they do every four years.
So far as the platform goes...who cares? People don't vote for a platform, they vote for candidates. If social conservatives were the dominant block in the GOP, we would nominate a social conservative...we haven't done that (you can't even claim Reagan as he ran as a strong defense, fiscal conservative) before and we aren't doing it now.
You are just pulling that out your backside. 40 percent of the TOTAL electorate in 2004 said abortion should be always or almost always illegal. And 3/4s of those voted for Bush. In other words, over HALF Bush's support in 2004 came from pro-life voters.
So far as the platform goes...who cares?
Anyone interested in winning the election does. The pro-life, social conservative platform has served the party well since 1980.
People don't vote for a platform, they vote for candidates. If social conservatives were the dominant block in the GOP, we would nominate a social conservative...we haven't done that (you can't even claim Reagan as he ran as a strong defense, fiscal conservative) before and we aren't doing it now.
The point is, you cannot win without the social conservative vote. Folks like you act like Rudy can lose that large a block and still win. Nonsense.
Rudy won't carry anything because conservatives will NOT vote for him.
Then you are no longer a conservative.Take out membership in the Dem party.
Oh, that was good. Take a bow.
A republican presidency is way out of Rudy's league. He should simply stay in Manhatten. Ed Koch would make a better president.
Rudy is rapidly becoming the Howard Dean of the Republican Party.
I doubt it. Bill is too old and in poor health.
You want someone who can sit there for 20 years.
Ed Koch has done more for the Republican Party than Giulliani ever has.
Ed Koch:
"ELECTION 2004 Ed Koch: I'm voting for Bush New York Democrat: Kerry doesn't have stomach to go after terrorists
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Posted: August 22, 2004
7:02 p.m. Eastern
By Aaron Klein
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Ed Koch
Former New York City Mayor Edward Koch, a Democrat, will for the first time in his life vote for a Republican presidential candidate this year because he feels Kerry "doesn't have the stomach" to fight terrorism, Koch told WorldNetDaily.
"While I don't agree with Bush on a single domestic issue, they are all trumped by the issue of terrorism, where he has enunciated the Bush Doctrine and proven his ability to fight this war," said Koch. "The Democratic Party just doesn't have the stomach to go after terrorists."
Koch, now a partner in a Manhattan law firm, was mayor of New York from 1978-89, and served for nine years as a U.S. congressman until 1977. He's known for his liberal views on various issues, including his staunch support of same-sex marriage and leftist ideas for the economy and environment.
While he has in the past deviated from conventional liberal thinking, strongly supporting the death penalty and taking a hard line on "quality of life" issues, Koch has always supported Democratic presidential candidates.
But the former mayor says he was sickened by what he witnessed at the Democratic National Convention last month and now feels the Democratic Party is moving in the wrong direction.
"I saw Kerry surrounded by radical politicians like [former President Jimmy] Carter and [Sen. Ted] Kennedy. ... I know Kerry will succumb to their pressure if elected. They are with Kerry not because they like him, but because their true candidate Howard Dean couldn't get elected, and they wanted someone who they can have elected and dominate," charged Koch.
"As long as Kennedy and Robert Byrd are considered major leaders of the Democratic Party, and while we're seeing radical candidates like Howard Dean, whose radical-left supporters have been described by the press as 'Deaniacs,' the Democratic Party will be limited in its ability to serve the country well in times of crisis and war like we face now."
Koch thinks Kerry is putting on a facade by campaigning as tough on terrorism, and worries the Democratic nominee plans to pull American troops from Iraq prematurely, signaling to al-Qaida and terror-supporting Mideast dictators that the U.S. doesn't have the will to fight terrorism.
"Kerry says now that he'd stay in Iraq, but the people who support him would get out tomorrow. If he's president, they would pressure him to do that," Koch said. "They don't care what Kerry says now. They believe he is saying things simply to ingratiate himself with mainstream Democrats and some Republicans."
Koch has been impressed with Bush's response to the Sept. 11 attacks, and says terrorism must rank as the most important issue for voters in the November elections.
He says he supports Bush because "I think the Bush Doctrine of pre-emption is crucial. Bush says 'We will go after the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.' And he has demonstrated that he means it by invading Afghanistan and Iraq, both threats to their regions and to the U.S."
The security of Israel is another major issue for Koch, who is proud of his Jewish heritage and says he is frightened by the "prospects of disaster" in the Middle East if Kerry is elected president. Koch says he "cannot understand why Jews who care about Israel would vote Democrat this year."
"Look at what Kerry said before the Council on Foreign Relations, where he made his foreign-affairs positions known. He said if he were president, he'd select James Baker and Jimmy Carter as emissaries to Israel. They are two of the most hostile politicians toward Israel! These are the last people you'd send if you cared about the Jewish state and the Middle East.
"And when Kerry was accosted by Jewish leaders for saying that, he claimed he hadn't seen that part in his speech, that it was inserted at the last minute by staff people. Now as a politician, I know you read this kind of speech dozens of times. He knew it was in there. So Kerry doesn't tell the truth, either."
Many Jews feel Carter and Baker have taken a consistently pro-Palestinian line, and some were worried by Carter's comments at the convention, where he linked the Bush administration's policy toward Israel to anti-American sentiment.
"Violence has gripped the Holy Land, with the region increasingly swept by anti-American passions," Carter told the convention in a prime-time speech many Democrats said marked his revival as a central figure in the party.
Koch says he found it "both interesting and disturbing" that Kerry omitted any reference to Israel during his acceptance speech at the Democratic Convention.
"But I am convinced that President Bush will never trade Israel's special relationship with the U.S. for political support, be it domestic or international. Bush is probably the most supportive of Israel of any U.S. president in history. I doubt John Kerry and the Deaniacs who now embrace him would have the same resolve."
Koch points to Bush's isolation of Arafat, and his viewing of Israel as a strategic partner in the war on terror as positive foreign-policy elements.
Koch says he plans to campaign for Bush among the Jews of New York and South Florida in the coming two months. He says he will write a flurry of op-eds in Jewish newspapers, and has already started hitting the airwaves, talking to several Jewish radio shows, including Israel's Tovia Singer Radio Show, which many American Jews follow online.
"You see, I was elected mayor because New Yorkers trusted my insights and common sense," explains Koch. "And I believe they still do. They and the rest of America must realize Islamic terrorists want to destroy us, and there are hundreds of millions of them. I want a president who is willing to go after them before they have the chance to kill us."
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Aaron Klein is WorldNetDaily's Jerusalem bureau chief, whose past interview subjects have included Yasser Arafat, Ehud Barak, Mahmoud al-Zahar and leaders of the Taliban.
Thats electoral accountability. The Republican Party earned what it got. The Republican Party betrayed its own electorate, and rather than back peddle, the Republican party is trying to create a NEW electorate by becoming "moderate".
Conservatives watch with silent mirth as the RNC and its back room boys fail to back the candidates who would unify the party and renew its promise to the conservative 40% base.
If they continue in this folly of tyranny by abandoning 40% of their electorate, the Republican Party will seal the fate of this nation into the hands of a radicalized Democrat Party.
Shame on the Republican Party. Rudy Giulliani is no president. And he never can be. His political expertise is strictly municipal. He has some big financial backers, and to make sure he does his best in return for their lobby support, Giulliani intends to run as an independent if he fails in the nomination race, ( he left his party affiliation blank on his election commission filings)and will take the New York vote with him.
You see this is not about the nation calling Rudy to service in its time of greatest need. Its actually about Rudy and his lobbyists.
Screw Rudy. He is of insufficient character , experience, and caliber to be president of the USA. He is not fit as a liberal to lead and unify the Republican party. Therefore his nomination would bring about a definite loss for the Republican party, either by failure to beat an Obama ticket, or by splitting the Republican party as an independent.
Either way , its all about Rudy, not about the nation, or the people.
Like millions of conservatives, I will not vote for a liberal. Those days ended for me with the Gang of 14, and its tyranny and abandonment of the conservative legislative agenda.Thats where the liberal Republicans put we conservatives,out the door, and they will not get us back by running a liberal for the nomination. We learned the hard way, and the Republican party has yet to learn the same lesson we have.
So there are very real reasons for NOT voting for a liberal like Rudy, and they are not as many suppose, based on intransigent conservatism, but on a real history of minority liberal Republican tyranny and betrayal of trust.
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