Hillary Vs. Rudy

US News and World Report ^ | 2/23/07 | Michael Barone

[Blackirish]

snip/National upshot: Rudy's electoral vote position against Hillary is much stronger than Bush's against Kerry. Rudy puts almost the whole East into play and is significantly stronger in several target states in the Midwest and West. Hillary puts some states into play in the South but with many fewer electoral votes than Rudy does elsewhere. Even if you assume that Hillary is stronger against Rudy today than she was in July, the pairing does place the Republicans in a stronger position than Bush was in '04.

[PhiKapMom]

You saw the movie? Gore is coming to OU followed shortly thereafter by Pres Bush #41.

They still have not announced our commencement speaker for OU -- have two kids graduating and it had better not be another Tom Brokaw or Katie Couric type.

[Torie]

I saw the movie. It was very well done, and effective. So was Triumph of the Will, which was even better.

[PhiKapMom]

My daughter had to review a movie for the OU Daily of Oscar nominations and she picked "Queen" which actually was pretty good. I didn't want to see Gore's movie! :)

[Torie]

I have not seen Queen yet, but plan to, soon. It got great reviews.

[PhiKapMom]

I enjoyed it! Thought the actress who played Queen Elizabeth and the actor for Tony Blair did a really good job.

[Blackirish]

As opposed to those in the GOP who think they can diss social conservatives but still demand their vote?

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Who is dissing the socons ?....Thing is your boy George Allen lost and the socons don't have a backup.....sometimes you get the cards...sometimes...no.

[Blackirish]

This year my vote is not for myself but my country and military. I'll do everything possible to keep ms.anti-american hillary OUT of my White House

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For the whiners who say there is no difference between Rudy or Hillary.....I dare them to say that to a Marine who would have to salute Hillary as their CIF.

[fabian]

I think they are going to go for Obama due to Hillary's harsh, bitchy tone. I don't think she can make it and her ambition is a bit transparent, I believe.

[jws3sticks]

Found, borrowed and shared. Thanks!

[Skip Ripley]

Fine...if the notion of Rudy as the nominee bothers you so much...leave. If there are SOOOOOO many social conservatives out there then you should form an alternative party and drive the "rinos" from office.

You won't...you can't....strict "social conservatives" are the MINORITY in the GOP. You're an even smaller minority in the body politic as a whole, so quit complaining about your views being ignored. In politics the only people who get ignored are the people who don't have the power to make people notice them.

The GOP, Rudy and all...is your best option. Accept reality, support the nominee or get the hell out... It's really that simple.

[Hot Soup]

Supporting anyone but Hillary for 2008 is fine as long as you realize you'll be voting for anyone but Stalin a few years down that road.
An 'R' accomplishes nothing on it's own.

[Hydroshock]

I doubt if she will be there.

[Spiff]

I've got your Hillary vs. Rudy right here:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

To: Spiff

Looks pretty accurate to me.

230 posted on 02/10/2007 2:56:00 AM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Ford, Dole, Arnie. Voting for the "unelectable" right-wing kook gave us Ronnie.)

Looks pretty accurate to me.

[Blackirish]

Read the polls and weep ...and..take your silly spam and hit the road.

[dirtboy]

Read the polls and weep ...and..take your silly spam and hit the road.

Putting much credence in polls now is stupid. And calling facts "spam" is reminiscent of the Dems calling the Swifties liars - for the exact same reason. It's the kind of tactic used when you cannot counter the facts as presented.

[dirtboy]

Who is dissing the socons ?....

Quite a few Rudy boosters on FR, for starters.

[dirtboy]

You won't...you can't....strict "social conservatives" are the MINORITY in the GOP.

Believe that all you want ... all the way to electoral disaster.

[dirtboy]

You threaten to damage the party you claim to be a member of unless your views are adopted by others.

Oh, and one other point here. My views are part of the long-standing party platform. Rudy's largely are not.

[Blackirish]

Putting much credence in polls now is stupid

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Well then why could come up with some silly anti-Rudy spreadsheet and sit on the internet 26 hours straight raging like you and Spiff ? ...

Cuz Rudy's poll numbers have you unhinged and FLOPSWEATING and comparing yourself and Spiff to the swiftboaters proves my point.

FLOPSWEAT over this.... Rudy now has more Republican support than McCain, Gingrich and Romney put together.


http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm

[dirtboy]

Well then why could come up with some silly anti-Rudy spreadsheet and sit on the internet 26 hours straight raging like you and Spiff ? uz Rudy's poll numbers have you unhinged and FLOPSWEATING and comparing yourself and Spiff to the swiftboaters proves my point.

Well, you are right about one thing. I can't speak for Spiff, but I am extremely concerned that Rudy can win the nomination, given the front-loaded aspect of the primaries now. Money and bull**** have more sway than ever as a result, and large swaths of the GOP money and bull**** machine are lining up with Rudy - having taken the party a half-step to the left with Bush II, they want to take a full step with Rudy, and figure no one in the GOP can stop them. They might well be right.

But Rudy's advantage in the money and BS department would evaporate as soon as he won the nomination. The Dems are just as good at money and three times better at bull****. And the sad thing is, they won't even need to use their bull**** skills against Rudy. The box of hammers that is Rudy's past will be more than enough for them to hit him with until he is toast.