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Share with us your opinion on H. F. No. 305 (poll on non-smoking bill)
Minnesota Legislature ^ | Feb 2007 | Minnesota House

Posted on 02/21/2007 5:01:58 PM PST by jdege

1. Do you support House File 305, the smoking ban bill?

2. Should the smoking ban apply to bars as well as restaurants?

3. Do you feel private clubs should be exempted from a smoking ban?

4. Should local governments be allowed to pass a stricter ban than state law?


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: fascism; smoking
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1 posted on 02/21/2007 5:02:04 PM PST by jdege
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To: jdege

At first I agreed that these bills were wrong but I'm now looking at it as similar to the laws against spitting chewing tobacco in restaurants and salons back in the early 20th century. I like a smoke free environment. It's not that hard to quit anymore with the new drugs. So quit for crying out loud and let go of this issue. There are more important fights out there.


2 posted on 02/21/2007 5:06:54 PM PST by Mercat (Conservative Catholic here and I will not rule out either Rudy or Mitt.)
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To: Mercat

Any poll that wants to know how I "feel" about something, not how I "think" doesn't interest me enough to mess with it.


3 posted on 02/21/2007 5:08:58 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: Mercat

Oh, you're sooooooooooooo right/sarc. Ever heard of private property owners using their property in the way they see fit?


4 posted on 02/21/2007 5:10:18 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: Mercat; Gabz; SheLion

"There are more important fights out there."

Yeah, like property rights.


5 posted on 02/21/2007 5:13:12 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: flashbunny

well, if you serve food, there are a lot of limits on your property rights from the get go... but hey, fight it if you want to. I don't care.


6 posted on 02/21/2007 5:18:38 PM PST by Mercat (Conservative Catholic here and I will not rule out either Rudy or Mitt.)
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To: Mercat
I like a smoke free environment.

Then find a restaurant where people don't smoke. I like buffalo wings, so I eat at a restaurant that makes good buffalo wings.

It's not that hard to quit anymore with the new drugs.

It's not about the nicotine fix. Have you ever quit smoking? I have, dozens of times. I quit on Valentine's day. I'm still quitting. I like the nicotine gum, and it works, but I only had to use it for a few days before I was completely free of my physical cravings. The hardest part of quitting smoking is the habit of having a cigarette. I quit for a month about a year ago. Then I played a round of golf, had a few beers, and bummed a smoke off a buddy. On the way home, I stopped and bought a pack. It's really easy to fall off the wagon, especially if your friends smoke.

So quit for crying out loud and let go of this issue. There are more important fights out there.

I'm trying. Thanks for your support.

7 posted on 02/21/2007 5:19:40 PM PST by highimpact (Abortion is a voluntary human sacrifice at the altar of convenience.)
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To: highimpact

I did quit. I know it's hard. Good luck.


8 posted on 02/21/2007 5:20:38 PM PST by Mercat (Conservative Catholic here and I will not rule out either Rudy or Mitt.)
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To: Mercat

Didn't mean to pounce. For some reason, I'm easily agitated right now. LOL. I try to keep a sense of humor through it all. On the bright side, I think I finally understand what PMS is like for women.


9 posted on 02/21/2007 5:24:23 PM PST by highimpact (Abortion is a voluntary human sacrifice at the altar of convenience.)
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To: Mercat

"I don't care."

Then why even bother posting on the thread if you don't care?

More likely, you do care - you fall down on the nanny state side - but you want to appear 'above the fray' by saying it doesn't matter to you.

If you don't care - and you don't like smoke - go to a smoke free restaurant. But you don't pay rent, wages, taxes, or insurance on the restaurant - the owner does - so it should be his say on smoking policy, not yours.


10 posted on 02/21/2007 5:26:44 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: highimpact

I have two children who have fought through multiple mental health and addiction issues. I have absolute love and acceptance of people with any of these issues right now. I eat too much. I would probably be better off without the two beers I drink a day. So don't beat up on yourself too much and take it one hour at a time if you have to.


11 posted on 02/21/2007 5:27:02 PM PST by Mercat (Conservative Catholic here and I will not rule out either Rudy or Mitt.)
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To: Mercat

And then there are some of us who dont WANT to quit, Dont want to be told what to do by Big Daddy Doctor/Government.

How do you supposed the government will "deal" with those types..


12 posted on 02/21/2007 5:32:16 PM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: highimpact

highimpact, I quit for a month like you (thru hypnotherapy) but still hung out with smoker friends and ... to use a local term, "backslid." While it isn't easy to do, I think all the current hype and ads proclaiming "addiction" are merely a marketing ploy. Tough habituation? Yes. But unless you wake up every couple hours craving a cig, as addicts to many drugs do, then you ain't addicted. (In a previous life I worked for a "street clinic" and saw quite a few examples of real addiction.)


13 posted on 02/21/2007 5:35:46 PM PST by Wombat Ark
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To: jdege

Revenue from Minnesota's 75 cent cigarette "fee" is already down 3%. I hope their legislature isn't planning to balance the budget on cigarette fees if they pass this bill. Perhaps Minnesota legislators should read the story of "The Goose That Laid the Golden Egg"


14 posted on 02/21/2007 5:43:02 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Wombat Ark
There is a very real physical craving during the early days of quitting. When I quit three years ago for a few weeks, I went cold turkey. I still remember the shaking during the first two or three days. I had ringing in my ears. I was nauseous. I wasn't imagining it. This time around, with the gum, it has been much easier physically, but the desire to have a cigarette will take months to go away (about a year, according to my dad, who quit after 20+ years).

Yes. But unless you wake up every couple hours craving a cig, as addicts to many drugs do, then you ain't addicted.

I CAN remember nights where I awoke at 3am to go outside for a cigarette. Nicotine addicts sleep. Heroin addicts sleep. Meth addicts sleep. Crack addicts sleep. I've never heard the scientific principle that proves a substance is not addictive simply because its users sleep.

Your body has an internal clock that gets used to the cycle of nicotine during certain hours of day, followed by periods of rest. Just because you don't wake up, doesn't mean the cravings aren't there. It just means that your body has learned to adapt to the cravings, thereby allowing your body and brain to rest and recharge. It's a case of one physical need overriding another. One thing I've noticed since quitting is that my sleep is much more restful, probably as a result of the physical nicotine cravings going away.

15 posted on 02/21/2007 5:56:01 PM PST by highimpact (Abortion is a voluntary human sacrifice at the altar of convenience.)
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To: jdege

Waht a stoooooooopid poll.


16 posted on 02/21/2007 7:19:11 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Mercat; flashbunny
well, if you serve food, there are a lot of limits on your property rights from the get go... but hey, fight it if you want to. I don't care.

since you don't understand the premise, there is no point discussing this with you.

Food safety and whether smoking is permitted or not have as much to do with each other as apples and oranges.

17 posted on 02/21/2007 7:24:14 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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I'd be a lot more worried about what's in the food they're serving than the cigarette smoke in the air.


18 posted on 02/21/2007 7:25:47 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: jdege

Sure, ban it. Empower government and strip property rights. And when they start taxing food by the calorie (or coming after whatever vice becomes a target next), don't complain.


19 posted on 02/21/2007 7:25:56 PM PST by mysterio
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So if you use your property in the commission of crime that should be allowed?

C'mon. Get off it. Smoking is not illegal in private homes but if laws are passed that penalize smoking into the lungs of kids...then local govt has every right to take action.
20 posted on 02/21/2007 7:32:05 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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