A winning conservative platform for 2008?

I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton. That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.

How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash? If we have no faith in our own conservative principles and values why do we call ourselves conservatives? How can we possibly hope to advance our conservative causes if we tuck tail and run when we should be fighting as if our very survival as a free people depends upon it. Because it does.

We cannot advance conservatism by running a social liberal for the office of chief executive. If you want proof, ask Arnie, the socially liberal Republican governor of California. No thanks. You can have him and the socialist horse he rode in on.

We cannot defend life, liberty or nation (see below discussion on securing borders) with a social liberal at the helm.

I'd like to build a winning conservative platform with a dozen or so hard hitting no nonsense points that we can all agree on that would help us focus on our best potential primary nominee and one that can defeat Hillary, et al, in the general.

Here's a starter list and it's open for discussion, cutting, consolidation, expansion and detailing:

Would a conservative platform focusing on victory in the war, national security, national defense, securing the borders, deporting illegal aliens, sound fiscal policy and defense of life, liberty, property and individual rights be a winner over Hillary's treasonous platform of surrender, weakness, open borders, socialist fiscal policies, "abortion rights," "gay rights," global warming, continued government abuses and subversion of our rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, right to keep and bear arms and private property rights?

Expanding on one issue, for example, I'm pushing for increased border security. I used to be in favor of some sort of temporary worker program, but not one that has a fast track to citizenship. I'm now coming around to the point of view held by the majority of Americans regardless of political party affiliation and that is we MUST secure the borders immediately. It's obvious that this war against Islamic fascism is going to grind on even after we put down the nasty business in Iraq. We must secure the borders against terrorist intrusion and infiltration. We must tightly control ALL immigration to the US.

It's also becoming more and more obvious that Americans are not happy with illegals taking jobs in an ever growing number of industries. They're no longer just doing field labor and or menial low paying tasks. They're creeping up the uskilled labor and union scale, only they're competing unfairly by accepting low wages and under the table payments.

We also need to seal the borders against drug smugglers, weapons smugglers, criminals, terrorists, etc. Catch them, try them and lock them up.

Americans are also tired of footing the bills for illegal alien health care, education, welfare, auto accidents, crime, disease, etc.

It's way past time to call a halt to this nonsense. I say we catch them at the borders and deport them. If we catch them again, place them in a work camp. If they want to work, fine, let them work in a work camp for their keep. Nothing more. And no illegal families or children or anchor babies. If it takes additional laws on the books, fine let's get it done. If it takes a constitutional amendment to stop the anchor babies, let's get the process started.

We should also catch and deport them when they show up at the DMV, voter registration or voting booth, unemployment line, bank, building permit office, welfare department, social security office, hospitals, free clinics, schools, jails, auto accident or traffic stops, etc. If they can't speak English and they don't have valid identification, then we need to hold them or call in the INS.

If we're going to secure the nation we must secure the borders, control immigration and stop pandering to the illegals or their enablers. Employers who willingly and knowingly hire illegals should be punished. If they pay their workers under the table and fail to withhold taxes or social security, they should be dealt with as felons.

So, we win the war, secure the nation, build our defenses, return to a sound fiscal policy, cut spending and taxes, and defend our rights.

How many states would go for this platform as opposed to Hillary's that is exactly opposite?

People are discussing Guliani as the Republican candidate because that's who the media has picked, same as they're talking about Obama.

For weeks before anyone ever heard a word from or about Barak Hussein, the media was touting him as "exciting", "a real threat to Hillary", "one of the Front Runners", "leading in the polls"....just gushing all over this guy without ever saying a dang thing about who he was, 'cause frankly they didn't know!

It was like the little John Edwards phenomena - some lawyer who hap pend to stumble into a Senate job, but was likely to - and did - lose his job because he never showed up for work...and all of a sudden he's running for president!? I don't know who was more surprised, the media or America! ROFL!!

When was the last time any of the driveby media - or sleep-in' Fox mentioned anyone but Guliani, and a couple times Mitt Romney? Granted I haven't watched TV in almost a year, but I read it, and no one's talking about Tancredo or Hunter.

The inevitable circus of eye batting, double talking, spray tanned, can speeched, moon walking fools are going to give the media fits with their infinite variations of "Our only plan is to bash a lame duck president". So, what's going to happen when a REAL conservative steps up with REAL plan(s) to keep our nation Safe and it's citizens Prosperous, Specific Steps to accomplish these, and oh yeah, btw, one of the very few things Bush did drop the ball on, the nation is in limbo over, yet everyone else is afraid to even talk about, that should be the very 1st thing a conservative candidate should pick up, run with, and make it all his own!

I can not think of a more opportune topic to wrap one's arms around right now than illegal aliens, the topic has already been started, people are furious that nothing got done, our Border Agents can't defend themselves, two are in prison for obscene sentences, it's like a golden football just sitting there mid field, both teams sitting on their respective bleachers, wondering what to do about it.

The one who runs out and grabs it is going to be the one on everyone's porch and in everyone's living room the next morning, and he should never stop talking about what HIS plans are, before the circus even starts.

That way, everything the rats spin out will be in reaction to what the Conservative candidate has just laid out, which is what America is used to listening to, rats reacting to the President's actions , rats responding the President's speech, rats giving interviews about how wrong the Conservative is without ever proposing a plan of their own....heck, Hunter, Tancredo, whoever we pick gets a jump out in front on the circus selection process, would pretty much be the de facto President just by keeping the rat's on their heels.

He needs to start pounding down their throats all the great accomplishment's that happened during the Bush, Cheney and Republican congress years, attack straight on the false rumors about the war and where the corruption truly lies in congress, and explain exactly what his plan is to do a better job on the things Bush slipped on.

We've had some major successes during the last two Presidential terms, and through the guidance of a Republican led congress for 12 years.

We need to tout them, not run from them, and we need to explain to the American people what really happened with this illegal alien problem, and how the rat's sabotaged every effort we made, instead of just complaining how Bush didn't get it done.

How many people remembered that he at least tried to do something about it, while the rat's made sure that nothing was done about it. It seems all anyone has concentrated on was Bush's failure, so very few speak of the rat's treachery.

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