Posted on 02/19/2007 1:14:04 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 02/19/2007 2:20:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton. That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.
How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash? If we have no faith in our own conservative principles and values why do we call ourselves conservatives? How can we possibly hope to advance our conservative causes if we tuck tail and run when we should be fighting as if our very survival as a free people depends upon it. Because it does.
We cannot advance conservatism by running a social liberal for the office of chief executive. If you want proof, ask Arnie, the socially liberal Republican governor of California. No thanks. You can have him and the socialist horse he rode in on.
We cannot defend life, liberty or nation (see below discussion on securing borders) with a social liberal at the helm.
I'd like to build a winning conservative platform with a dozen or so hard hitting no nonsense points that we can all agree on that would help us focus on our best potential primary nominee and one that can defeat Hillary, et al, in the general.
Here's a starter list and it's open for discussion, cutting, consolidation, expansion and detailing:
Would a conservative platform focusing on victory in the war, national security, national defense, securing the borders, deporting illegal aliens, sound fiscal policy and defense of life, liberty, property and individual rights be a winner over Hillary's treasonous platform of surrender, weakness, open borders, socialist fiscal policies, "abortion rights," "gay rights," global warming, continued government abuses and subversion of our rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, right to keep and bear arms and private property rights?
Expanding on one issue, for example, I'm pushing for increased border security. I used to be in favor of some sort of temporary worker program, but not one that has a fast track to citizenship. I'm now coming around to the point of view held by the majority of Americans regardless of political party affiliation and that is we MUST secure the borders immediately. It's obvious that this war against Islamic fascism is going to grind on even after we put down the nasty business in Iraq. We must secure the borders against terrorist intrusion and infiltration. We must tightly control ALL immigration to the US.
It's also becoming more and more obvious that Americans are not happy with illegals taking jobs in an ever growing number of industries. They're no longer just doing field labor and or menial low paying tasks. They're creeping up the uskilled labor and union scale, only they're competing unfairly by accepting low wages and under the table payments.
We also need to seal the borders against drug smugglers, weapons smugglers, criminals, terrorists, etc. Catch them, try them and lock them up.
Americans are also tired of footing the bills for illegal alien health care, education, welfare, auto accidents, crime, disease, etc.
It's way past time to call a halt to this nonsense. I say we catch them at the borders and deport them. If we catch them again, place them in a work camp. If they want to work, fine, let them work in a work camp for their keep. Nothing more. And no illegal families or children or anchor babies. If it takes additional laws on the books, fine let's get it done. If it takes a constitutional amendment to stop the anchor babies, let's get the process started.
We should also catch and deport them when they show up at the DMV, voter registration or voting booth, unemployment line, bank, building permit office, welfare department, social security office, hospitals, free clinics, schools, jails, auto accident or traffic stops, etc. If they can't speak English and they don't have valid identification, then we need to hold them or call in the INS.
If we're going to secure the nation we must secure the borders, control immigration and stop pandering to the illegals or their enablers. Employers who willingly and knowingly hire illegals should be punished. If they pay their workers under the table and fail to withhold taxes or social security, they should be dealt with as felons.
So, we win the war, secure the nation, build our defenses, return to a sound fiscal policy, cut spending and taxes, and defend our rights.
How many states would go for this platform as opposed to Hillary's that is exactly opposite?
I think we'd even pull in California.
What say you?
The whole House is elected every two years, most recently three months ago. Representatives are chosen by voting.
The open borders politicians represent the majority. The border hawks got their asses kicked.
Thems the facts, ma'am.
The majority of what? They do not represent the majority of Americans, who want the borders closed. They represent the OBL and the big money it brings into their campaign coffers and keeps them in their cushy jobs.
The Left (Hillary) will move to the right. Diane Feinstein herself is concerned with illegals coming into California. This issue will work.
Let's see... topic meanderings. I posted that Duncan Hunter fits the bill in terms of the planks posted by JimRob, that there's no need to hope for a Deus Ex Machina ending to the story. You did an LOL post which hinted that my candidate has no chance, so I responded with a patriotic call to go for it if we believe in it. If that's off topic, then so be it. Whatever. I'm growing weary of your nonsense. I do admire your chutzpah to take on the founder of FR with such boorish behavior, but it doesn't win any converts, only helps to sell popcorn. Buh bye.
They won elections, didn't they?
Amen, Boxsford. Jim, "What say you?"
"They won elections, didn't they?"
In 1992 Bill Clinton won by 43%. So, by your logic Bill Clinton represented the majority of the people. Don't think so!
Sadly, many people vote solely on name recognition, so we get the morons over and over again.
I'm with you!
...Freepmail with some information that you might like to see coming your way.
When it's a choice between a damned Dem and a GOPer, I vote GOP; always have!
The upcoming presidential election is one of the most important in our lifetime. Our side needs someone who can not only beat the Dem, but give us a lot of what we all claim that we want. Those who go the all or nothing route, or delusionally imagine that one of the bottom tier runners or someone who has yet to enter the race, can not only win the nomination, but beat the Dem candidate are fooling themselves.
But this is NOT the topic of this thread.
Carter told us to get used to smaller pieces of the pie,and Reagan won by telling us that we're going to bake more pies so we'll have just as big a piece as before (and maybe seconds).
A campaign of fear isn't the way to energize the voters, a campaign of hope is!
I have answered questions; also unlike most of those posting to me.
Duncan Hunter isn't going anywhere and I was polite to you, about that. I wished you "good luck" with your choice and laughed, as a sign of politeness.
You want to know WHAT doesn't "win converts"? The garbage posted to Rudy and Romney threads!
Spot on!
Amen to THAT. I can't wait for the day that we have a serious candidate with the guts to support an idea like that.
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No way. FR is a conservative site Your guy worked tirelessly to get one of our most conservative Senators defeated. All over a grudge. No thanks. Don't want a guy like that around. He can post at DU.
Thank you so much for the excerpt and for your insights!
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