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Forget It, Rudy (Rudy Says Cardinal John O’Connor is Wrong)
Human Events ^ | 11/15/2006 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 02/13/2007 12:38:30 PM PST by TitansAFC

One of Rudy Giuliani’s early achievements as mayor of New York City was to make people think twice about urinating on the streets.

“If somebody was urinating on the street,” he once told the New York Times, “the reaction would be, oh, we can’t do anything about that. And then the idea would start to develop that there must be some inherent human right to urinate on the street. So the police started ignoring all kinds of offenses. They’d even stand by when drug deals were going on. The police became highly skilled observers of crime.”

Something had to be done, and Rudy was the man to do it.

His success in curtailing the misplaced micturitions of street people and pub crawlers was emblematic of his larger success in cleaning up the city and driving down crime. This success made many people—including many conservatives—argue that Giuliani was one heck of a mayor. It was hard to disagree with them. New York smelled so much better than it used to.

Then came the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Giuliani courageously led the response that day to the emergency in Manhattan. He became a spokesman for New York City’s resilience in the face of tragedy and America’s defiance in the face of its enemies. “People tonight should say a prayer for the people that we’ve lost and be grateful that we’re all here,” he told a nationally televised press conference. “Tomorrow, New York is going to be here, and we’re going to rebuild, and we’re going to be stronger than we were before.”

This made some people—including some conservatives—believe Giuliani would make one heck of a President. Considering his announcement this week that he is starting a presidential exploratory committee, Giuliani believes it, too.

But here it is easy to disagree with Rudy and his admirers. He has no chance of winning the Republican nomination, and, even if he did, he would not make a good president. His views on core cultural issues are too radical.

Giuliani is not just pro-abortion, he is pro-partial-birth abortion. He has not flinched from defending the legality of the gruesome practice that the late Democratic Sen. Patrick Moynihan of New York described “as close to infanticide.”

“I am pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said in 1999, when he was contemplating a Senate campaign. When a reporter asked if he at least favored a ban on partial-birth abortion, Giuliani said, “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing.”

Giuliani’s pro-gay rights position is so extreme, he advocated stripping away the special legal status of traditional marriage. In 1998, he pushed a municipal ordinance that wiped out all distinctions between married and unmarried couples in New York City law, regardless of their gender. The late Cardinal John O’Connor gave a sermon from the pulpit of Saint Patrick Cathedral condemning Giuliani’s proposal. “It is imperative, in my judgment,” said the Cardinal, “that no law be passed contrary to natural moral law and Western tradition by virtually legislating that marriage does not matter.”

Giuliani did not back down. “What it really is doing is preventing discrimination against people who have different sexual orientations, or make different preferences in which they want to lead their lives,” he told the New York Times in response to O’Connor’s sermon. “Domestic partnerships not only affect gays and lesbians, but they also affect heterosexuals who choose to lead their lives in different ways.”

Thanks to politicians and judges who take Giuliani’s position on abortion, more than 47 million babies have been aborted in America since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. Thanks to politicians and judges who take Giuliani’s position on marriage, the unique legal status of the traditional family is now under siege.

Giuliani understood the link between allowing people to urinate on the streets with impunity and New York City’s overall decline. Outside New York, on the Republican campaign trail, he is sure to meet many voters who understand that his positions on abortion and marriage do to our national culture exactly what the street people and pub crawlers did to New York.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2liberalformoynihan; electionpresident; gop; homosexualslovehim; ny; paleos4hillary; paleoskeywords; paleosmearjob; primary; republicans; whoyoucallingpaleo
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I didn't realize Rudy was to the left of Moynihan!
1 posted on 02/13/2007 12:38:33 PM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

BTTT


2 posted on 02/13/2007 12:42:44 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: TitansAFC

The only situation I'd vote for Rudy would be as mayor of NYC or governor of NY State. I will never vote for him as president. I don't care who is running against him.


3 posted on 02/13/2007 12:43:14 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: TitansAFC

But still way to the right of Hillary.


4 posted on 02/13/2007 12:44:01 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: TitansAFC; Liz

No self-respecting Christian, and especially Catholic, would vote for this 'man'.


5 posted on 02/13/2007 12:44:08 PM PST by jla
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To: TitansAFC; All
Outside New York, on the Republican campaign trail, he is sure to meet many voters who understand that his positions on abortion and marriage do to our national culture exactly what the street people and pub crawlers did to New York.

This is one of the most astute observations on this subject that I've seen anywhere.

6 posted on 02/13/2007 12:44:43 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: TitansAFC

If given the choice between Hillary and Rudy he is still the better choice. I dont like many of his views either,but I dont like ANY of Hillary's views.


7 posted on 02/13/2007 12:44:49 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: conservatrice
The only situation I'd vote for Rudy would be as mayor of NYC or governor of NY State. I will never vote for him as president. I don't care who is running against him.

You would honestly rather see Obama or Hillary in charge of the defense of our nation?

That scares me.

8 posted on 02/13/2007 12:45:14 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: TitansAFC

Yep, social conservatives are literally better off sitting home and punishing the Republicans than letting Rudy win if he is the nominee.
If Hillary wins then the enemy party is in power. If Rudy wins then social cons have no party at all. Many conservatives have already figured this out.....

....and thats why Rudy can't win, no matter how "electable" his supporters keep maintaining he is.


9 posted on 02/13/2007 12:45:58 PM PST by Dreagon
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To: conservatrice

He's not my first choice either. But, given a choice between Rudy and Hillary it would be hard to not give him my vote.

We are never going to find a nominee we agree with one hundred percent. And if Rudy is the nominee, at least he's not McCain.


10 posted on 02/13/2007 12:46:14 PM PST by kjo
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To: jla
"No self-respecting Christian, and especially Catholic, would vote for this 'man'."

Amen. NOT a conservative,.

11 posted on 02/13/2007 12:46:52 PM PST by PatriotWarriorINL
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To: jla
No self-respecting Christian, and especially Catholic, would vote for this 'man'.

I certainly won't. The question is, can the Rudy-bots and the so-called "conservative" media stampede enough people into the Rudy camp using pure fear?

That's what remains to be seen.
12 posted on 02/13/2007 12:46:59 PM PST by Antoninus ( Who is Duncan Hunter? Find out....www.gohunter08.com)
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To: TitansAFC

I would say piss on Rudy but that's too good for him.


13 posted on 02/13/2007 12:47:30 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: My2Cents
But still way to the right of Hillary.

I don't see him as "way" to the right of Hillary, and neither do a lot of conservatives.

14 posted on 02/13/2007 12:48:02 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: Dreagon
If Hillary wins then the enemy party is in power. If Rudy wins then social cons have no party at all. Many conservatives have already figured this out.....

That's it in a nutshell. It happened to us here in NJ. Now, the RNC is trying to take that model national.

They can do it without my vote, support, money, work, etc.
15 posted on 02/13/2007 12:48:32 PM PST by Antoninus ( Who is Duncan Hunter? Find out....www.gohunter08.com)
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To: kjo
"We are never going to find a nominee we agree with one hundred percent. And if Rudy is the nominee, at least he's not McCain."

This is the wrong attitude. No more setteling for candidates b/c their not "Hillary". We need to support a REAL leader now before its too late. No more half measures. What will this country look like after 10-20 more yrs of bad leadership??!

16 posted on 02/13/2007 12:48:48 PM PST by PatriotWarriorINL
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To: Tokra

If we are left with a choice between a big-government leftist and a radical big-government leftist, then what's left to "defend" here?


17 posted on 02/13/2007 12:49:17 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Antoninus

Hilarious. Most photos of Rudy show him with a big smile. Reaganesque smile in fact one showing optimism and a belief in the future. Hunter, in contrast, is shown looking like some one stole his Triple H.


18 posted on 02/13/2007 12:51:13 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Tokra
You would honestly rather see Obama or Hillary in charge of the defense of our nation?

It is almost 2 years to the election and you have already given up. That scares ME.
19 posted on 02/13/2007 12:51:35 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: jla

I prefer Duncan Hunter, however, I'm afraid that Rudy is the Republicans only chance to win it.


20 posted on 02/13/2007 12:53:04 PM PST by chopperman
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