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Why Bother Electing Pro-Gun, Pro-Family Candidates Anywhere? (The Rudophile Philosophy)
Free Republic - TitansAFC ^ | 2-10-07 | TitansAFC

Posted on 02/10/2007 1:39:11 PM PST by TitansAFC

There is no point to electing Pro-Family, Pro-Life, Pro-Free Speech, Pro-Second Amendment candidates anymore. At least, that's what we're essentially being told by the Rudy Giuliani for President crowd. The candidates themselves have no impact on such issues, we're told, and so we shouldn't take that into consideration when choosing whom to elect.

Yes, the Pro-Life, Pro-Family, Pro-Gun, Pro-Free Speech voters should not take their respective issues to the voting booth. They are issues that can be addressed simply by nominating judges. That's all that matters. So we're told.

So this is where the Pro-Life, Pro-Family, Pro-Gun, Pro-Free Speech crowd stands with the modern GOP, eh? This is all that's relevant for the Social Conservatives and Gun Conservatives in 2008, is it? Well, at least that's the perspective of many Pro-Rudy publications, such as National Review, and the clear majority view of GOP columnists nationwide.

Let me sum this up: Those of us who are Pro-Life, Pro-Traditional Marriage, Pro-Family, Pro-Second Amendment, and Pro-Free Speech have been reduced to a three word expression determined by Pro-Rudy pollsters and perhaps some time previous to his candidacy:

"Roberts and Alito" (Also accepted is "Thomas and Scalia.")

That's it. That's all we are to them anymore - that's all it takes. This alone should be enough to placate the base, or at least enough to stem fears of any GOP candidate so long as there exists a Democrat on the ballot. Just three words, whether the candidate has a history deeming this implied promise credible or not. Just three words, that's all.

It's a shame, isn't it?

Never mind Embryonic Stem Cell research; never mind the Mexico City Policy. The President has no effect on life issues.

Never mind a push for Hate Crimes Legislation or Campaign Finance Reform. The President has no effect on Free Speech issues.

Never mind the Assault Weapons ban, or lawsuits against gun manufacturers, or calls for federal laws against guns. The President has no real effect on Second Amendment issues.

Or so we're being told.

"Roberts and Alito!" -- Oh yes! Problem solved; all questions answered! Whatever were we concerned about in the first place?

This is what they want us reduced to. They want our free labor as volunteers, for certain; they want our votes and unending party loyalty, no doubt. But our issues? No. Not anymore; not in 2008.

We're at war, after all! How can anyone take those peripheral issues seriously in a time of war? Abortion? Bah! The Soviet Union might nuke Washington tomorrow! And we're supposed to address abortion?!?!

Oops, sorry. Replace "Soviet Union" with "Islamofascists." Same argument, different decade.

Yes, that's the other thing. We're supposed to table our issues - not that they'd ever table issues like taxes and Free Trade - but we're supposed to table ours until that mythical time in the future when no one on earth means us harm anymore; that day in the future when war is no longer upon us or even imminent.

You see, our issues need to be put aside during a time of war; and we've declared perpetual war. How about that?

It comes to this: we are to be Republicans first, and issues voters last. Or so we're told. Voting is always a choice between the "lesser of two" evils, and Democrats are always, under every circumstance, the greater evil. Why, it would be irresponsible to stay home or vote third party just because our issues are off the table - even all of our issues.

After all (reading from cue card), "Roberts and Alito."

Perhaps most frustrating in all of this is the strange lack of concern the National Review and Pro-Rudy types have about his record. He spoke at NARAL, called for the purging of the Pro-Life platform from the GOP, raised money for Pro-Abortion groups, called for federal laws against guns, sued gun manufacturers, spoke out in favor of tougher Hate Crimes Legislation and Campaign Finance Reform, just to start. He has been an abortion rights activist, a gun control activist, an activist for limitations on Free Speech, and an activist for gay rights.

An activist, yes. He has taken active steps in every case, using all of his influence as mayor to promote said issues. He has stood hand-in-hand with the enemy onthese issues, and often used what powers were availoable to him as Mayor to enforce them.

Does this concern the Rudophiles? No. They are still unabashed Rudy apologists. What concerns the Rudophiles - get this - is that values voters might have a problem with this and hold it against him.

Yes, you heard that right. They are concerned not with his stances, issues, and record - they are concerned with the Social and Gun Conservatives having a big problem with it when the First Tuesday in November, 2008 comes to pass.

Make no mistake about it, if the Social Conservative and Gun Conservative movement is willing to bend this far, the party will not be asking them to bend any less in the future. This will not be the last time the base is given an abortion rights/gun control/ gay rights activist and told he's the "next Reagan." On the contrary, these new stances will be the standard for future "Conservative" candidates, having proven that they can not only fail to address Social and Gun Conservative issues and still win elections, but they they can run candidates who have been activists on the wrong side of every issue and still win.

"Roberts and Alito! And now that I've addressed all of your issues........"

So now, there's no point in fighting for those Pro-Family, Pro-Gun, Pro-Life, Pro-Free Speech candidates anymore. They cannot have any effect, after all, on any of said issues - with perhaps the exception of voting on judges. We can win a lot more of the Moderates and Independents if we takes those issues off of the table, anyway, and simply run as an anti-tax, pro-defense party - stance we know that large majorities can easily agree on. Just say, "Roberts and Alito;" that should be enough. Asking for anything more would be, well, unreasonable.

Or so we're being told.


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1 posted on 02/10/2007 1:39:14 PM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

Nice work. People who think abortion doesn't matter should tell that to the people being torn apart every day. Cowardice isn't a conservative value.


2 posted on 02/10/2007 1:42:31 PM PST by Tim Long (Two of my favorite creationists: Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:4) and Ronald Reagan)
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To: TitansAFC

Awesome. you hit the nail on the head:)


3 posted on 02/10/2007 1:43:51 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08...HI MOM:))
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To: TitansAFC; dleecomeback07

Saturday is funday!


4 posted on 02/10/2007 1:44:41 PM PST by Enosh
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To: TitansAFC
Vote for whomever you damn well please...but don't you DARE come back on FreeRepublic in 2009 bemoaning the state of the Country.

Let me ask you what precisely you are doing to forward your choice for Presidential nominee? Hmm...

When the 2008 election happen, you know damn well you will push the lever for the guy with the R next to his name because the person with the D is 1000 times more dangerous. So if you think you can get the person you want nominated, GO AHEAD...get off the computer and start doing something. Ranting on FreeRepublic ain't gonna get it done, Buddy,

5 posted on 02/10/2007 1:44:47 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: TitansAFC

Nice rant. One I agree with in every respect.


6 posted on 02/10/2007 1:45:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Tim Long

Well said.


7 posted on 02/10/2007 1:46:46 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: TitansAFC

Even those who are being touted as alternatives to the RINOs McCain, Giuliani, and Romney are saying NOTHING about the life and family issues that Social Conservatives like yours truly care most about. We're starting to feel like we've been marginalized. Doesn't make you want to go to the trouble to go out and vote. It sure does seem that the GOP is turning a deaf ear to Social Conservatives...


8 posted on 02/10/2007 1:47:10 PM PST by BMIC
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To: TitansAFC

You forgot to mention the fear-mongering about him being "electable" and "the only to who can defeat Hillary". He sure has proven his ability to beat Hillary, hasn't he?

It may just be he is "electable". It doesn't matter to me. I'm pretty sure that regardless of who becomes the next president this country will continue it's downward spiral. It's only going to get worse.


9 posted on 02/10/2007 1:47:54 PM PST by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, then don't rape anyone. Don't force your morals on others!)
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To: TitansAFC

Only 5 minutes and 33 seconds before the first bot snipe.

Well done!


10 posted on 02/10/2007 1:48:32 PM PST by Enosh
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To: TitansAFC

If that's the way the party goes, then "don't you know you that can count me out"... I'm not voting for Rudy, not in the primary, not in the general, not ever.


11 posted on 02/10/2007 1:49:33 PM PST by PatrickF4 (Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought. - JP II)
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To: TitansAFC

"Voting is always a choice between the "lesser of two" evils,"

It is.


12 posted on 02/10/2007 1:50:11 PM PST by SeenTheLights Mom
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To: Hildy
Vote for whomever you damn well please...

Gee. I'm sure the target of your bile will thank you for your kind permission. /s

but don't you DARE come back on FreeRepublic in 2009 bemoaning the state of the Country.

If the state of the country is bad, it won't be the fault of those who tried with all their might to prevent such bad outcomes. It will be the fault of those who empowered those who actively work to prevent the restoration and preservation of our free republic, like you.

13 posted on 02/10/2007 1:50:23 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: MichiganConservative
He sure has proven his ability to beat Hillary, hasn't he?

Right. That's why he was afraid to run against her for the Senate.

14 posted on 02/10/2007 1:51:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: TitansAFC

Good job. There is much more than just a single issue. But hey they don't need us so I am not sweating it until the time comes to pull the lever. In the meantime I will push for Hunter.


15 posted on 02/10/2007 1:51:43 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Hildy
I found his article very informative and this is the information I come to Free Republic for, not to have rude people like you berate people who write thoughtful articles and I might add you seem to berate people because they disagree with you. This is a free country and thank God there are only a few people as rude as you are here in Free Republic or this site wouldn't be the success that it is. By the way, like most conservatives I'll never vote for Guiliani.
16 posted on 02/10/2007 1:52:39 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: BMIC
Perhaps being a social conservative was always a losing proposition... if we take a look back at the world, post world war II to the present, social conservatives have not had it very good. We only thrive in an atmosphere of consensus; otherwise, we are just trying to stop the social decline caused by our decaying values. It is, however, always worth the fight. And, even marginalized, we obviously have some power when the Rudophilic apologists plead with us to accept this for the good of the party. I think I have to, like the commercial says, "answer to a Higher Authority" than the NR or some Wall Street suits.
17 posted on 02/10/2007 1:57:07 PM PST by PatrickF4 (Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought. - JP II)
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To: Hildy
When the 2008 election happen, you know damn well you will push the lever for the guy with the R next to his name because the person with the D is 1000 times more dangerous.

That really makes Rudy look good. Nevermind his record just vote R. Now be a good sheeple and run along.

18 posted on 02/10/2007 1:58:33 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: TitansAFC

Salute! The silent majority is finally being heard. Never mind the pro-Rudy, pro-John, pro-Milt groups that we hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils just to win. Winning without belief and principles is not a win. That's the RAT way of thinking We want a candidate that (1) we can trust, (2) reflect our principles and beliefs, (3) and make a country strong and economically prosperous.


19 posted on 02/10/2007 1:59:21 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: TitansAFC
Great post. Rudy Giuliani as standard bearer signals the end of the Republican party as a vehicle for the conservative movement. If it happens, and I will do my best to see that it doesn't, it will hurt the conservative movement, but destroy the GOP.
20 posted on 02/10/2007 2:00:04 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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