Posted on 02/09/2007 5:50:02 AM PST by GulfBreeze
I still don't think that pro-Rudy guys understand that the problem with Rudy in the general election is NOT a conservative revolt. It is that he will be unable to energize those conservatives to care enough over the difference and thus even go to the polls.
Everytime I make this point. I get Rudy folks asking me "Yea but will you vote for him if he gets it." Yes. Yes, I will.
I wouldn't be the problem for Rudy. The problem, again, would be those social conservatives may vote often but not every time. This would be one of those times where they are NOT going to be motivated to go vote.
Hate Hillary is not going to get it done anymore than Hate Bill got it done for Bob Dole.
My preference/bias is well known, I like Duncan Hunter. Name ID is only a problem in the rimary. The two major party nominees will all the name ID they can stand going into November 08, no matter who they are.
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I can't and I won't.
I've held my nose for other "Republcans", but Rudy is beyond the pale.
Anti-self-defense, pro-abortion, pro-pervert, pro-tax-and-spend.
Sorry.
I'll have to vote "Constitution Party", even if it's only symbolic.
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Me too, and as you pointed out with Bob Dole, we are voting for a loser because it's a lackluster vote.
A lot of conservatives will stay home, not out of anger, but simple lacke of interest in voting for the least of two evils.
As it appears that the Witch is going to get the Dim nomination, there is a real danger that she will be elected (Gore won the popular vote, and even Kerry would have won had he gotten Ohio - and Ohio just dumped DeWine for a left-wing Senator.) It is certainly possible that the prospect of the Witch will energize the conservative base and overcome whatever reservations there may be about Rudy's social positions.
If I could appoint a President (but that would take a Constitutional amendment not likely to be forthcoming) it would be Newt.
If Rudy gets the nod ... it will because of his proven leadership under fire. We are facing an implacable foe who means to kill us. Make no mistake, the Islamo-Nazis are perhaps a more determined foe than the Nazis of WW2. Until this threat is eliminated, the partisan bickering should cease. This country is in deep denial. As a NY-er, having lived through the nightmare that was 9-11, I truly fear it might take another catastrophic attack to wake us up. I do not denigrate the virtues of any position, candidate or issues, but I do mean to remind all who "live" here of a dangerous lack of focus.
OK, I'm done now.
From the second paragraph. "do not thrill conservative activists." No need to read further
Why are consrvatives who disagree with the social side of a candidate considered activists? The way one conducts their personal business and family life has a great deal of significance on their degree of dedication and how well they play with others close to them.
This is mainstream resistance and not a few dissenters.
Gulliani is a MSM darling, part of the MSM Presidential candidate draft. CAndidates who make tough decisions and stand behind them are not welcome.
To fail to vote for the GOP nominee in 2008 is voting for Anti-self-defense, pro-abortion, pro-pervert, pro-tax-and-spend.
All of these things will be more prevalent under a Democratic President than ANY Republican president. There will only be TWO candidates in the race.
Others will be on the ballot but only TWO in the race. My duty is to vote for the one which is going to move the Conservative agenda forward best. No matter who we nominate, that means the GOP candidate.
In 15 or 20 years, the situation may be different.
A lot of people feel the way you do. That's why shoving Rudy down our throats is another LOSING strategery for the GOP.
Passion is on the side of the real conservatives - we need to work like all-get-out to get our candidates' names out there.
GO DUNCAN HUNTER!!!
I'll vote for Rudy in the general election. If I have to. I guess. If he runs on the War on Terror and cutting Federal spending and waste.
In the meantime, I'm going to do everything I can to keep him from getting to the general election. He should be a Democrat, blast it.
Did you read a single word of my post?
Scan around and read my posts.
If we want to get a grassroots movement out for a candidate we like - that's our business.
Stop trying to blackmail me into voting for someone I don't like before the primaries have even happened.
You are the one with the defeatist attitude.
If Rudy gets the nod ... it will because of his proven leadership under fire. We are facing an implacable foe who means to kill us. Make no mistake, the Islamo-Nazis are perhaps a more determined foe than the Nazis of WW2. Until this threat is eliminated, the partisan bickering should cease. This country is in deep denial. As a NY-er, having lived through the nightmare that was 9-11, I truly fear it might take another catastrophic attack to wake us up. I do not denigrate the virtues of any position, candidate or issues, but I do mean to remind all who "live" here of a dangerous lack of focus.
OK, I'm done now.
Symbolic, coupled with pouting and apathy, is what got us to the point where we are now: Pelosi and Murtha harranguing the Pentagon in public, a moslem on the Judiciary Committee and all manner of other sleaze too numerous to mention. So you keep right on with symbolic.
THank you for your plain speech. Much needed and appreciated. I guess it will be rough two years here, but I just bought a brand new flak jacket and I am ready!
To fail to vote for the GOP nominee in 2008 is voting for Anti-self-defense, pro-abortion, pro-pervert, pro-tax-and-spend.No offense, but voting for Rudy is voting for all but the last... and the GOP itself has pretty much been pro-spendspendspend
I understand the shortcomings our party is dealing with. In November though you have a choice between two and only two. The democratic candidate, in every case, will be worse on those issues than the GOP candidate.
I like Duncan Hunter. I will work for Duncan Hunter.
If he wins the GOP primary. I will vote FOR Duncan Hunter in the General election. I will vote for the Republican Nominee in the General Election because in every case that person will deliver less of the socially depraved crap than the Democratic nominee.
My reference for this continues to be the likes of Daniel, Shadrack, Mishak and Abednego in the old testiment serving under a Pagan King.
Listen. This is the primary. They have primaries for a reason. The reason is to debate the merits and qualifications and desirability of the men that throw their hat into the ring. It is the time for the various factions to try to push their parties in the direction they want them to go. And I dare say that the majority of freepers want to see the party and its candidate move right, not left.
There will be an emerging challenge to Rudy and McCain from the right wing of the party. It might be Newt, or it may be Hunter (as I hope). It is going to happen, it is the natural thing to happen in a free society. If Rudy weathers the storm well and comes out on top, many conservatives will still vote for him, noses plugged or not. Others will not. But I tell you what, if Duncan Hunter somehow manages to get the nod, ALL conservatives will vote for him. Perhaps the Log cabinites will sit it out.
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