Posted on 02/07/2007 5:41:35 PM PST by do the dhue
Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea North Korea never attacked us .. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year.
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .. an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us . He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
But Wait
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation..
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB ! The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts
(I checked this out on Snopes, and it's true)
But Wait, There's more!
WHAT JOHN GLENN SAID
JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR) Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a l iving. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.
This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn): "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): "I served 23 years in the United StatesMarine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me .. . as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men ... with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Or phans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee.. and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.
You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA.
Now he's a Senator!
BUMP!
North Korea invaded South Korea...not the US.
I wonder if Hitler ever wished he could take that back? The Japanese attacked us without telling him. As a result the Russians were able to bring reinforcements from the Far East to reinforce troops defending Moscow. Without them, Moscow--and Leningrad --probably would have falled to the Germans.
Too many people insist on looking at the war in Iraq as if it were the only war we've ever fought.
Well, do the dhue, heck yeah! BTTT!
1. He isn't downplaying, he's pointing out that the hysteria is unjustified.
2. You won't hear anyone saying it's not a lot of Americans? Tough.
The roughly 4 year total of men lost in Iraq is....
... still smaller than the death toll from the battle of the Kasserine Pass in WWII--6 days, 6,000 men.
... still smaller than the single day total from the Battle of Antietam in the Civil War--3,654 men.
...still less than twice the number lost by the Union at Cold Harbor.
...1/136 of the number of men we lost in WWII.
...is about 3,600 less than the number of men lost on Guadalcanal.
...far less than half the number we lost at Iwo Jima.
...less than a third the number of men lost at Okinawa.
...is less than the number of sailors alone who were killed at Okinawa in Kamikaze attacks.
Were all of those lost in Iraq valuable? Was their sacrifice meaningful? Are their families devastated? Yes to all those questions, but the same can be said of every American fighting man we've lost. Therefore, 3,000 is not a lot of Americans lost in a noble cause by any measure.
I will be called callous for saying that, but it's the truth, and it's time for Americans to man up and get this job done, or those 3,000 lives were poured down a hole.
"I'd say a Declaration of War is comparable to an attack."
Iran took over our Embassy in 1979 - an Act of War!
Iran provided the financial support to Hezbollah in the 1983 attack on our Marines in Lebanon - and Act of War!
Iran is providing the IEDs to kill our Soldiers in Iraq - an Act of War!
RE: Lebanon..." The Marine sentries at the gate were operating under their rules of engagement, which made it very difficult to respond quickly to the truck."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_barracks_bombing
It all gets back to the Rules of Engagement.
We are at War with Iran because they have declared War against us and have prosecuted War against us since 1979
until the present time.
It is a Cowardly Congress that refuses to recognize that War exists and declare War against Iran.
This is not the same as being unilateral. It is setting the US on a War basis and recognizing the situation as it has existed since 1979.
This is the starting point for the resolution of conflict which means Peace. Only when War is successfully waged can the Peace process begin. We must do so forthwith with Iran.
Then the muslims can pronounce salam (or whatever).
Have a good night.
HEAR HEAR !!
bump
Being concerned about 3000 deaths isn't "hysteria," . 3000 died on 9-11, and the c oncern about those deaths isn't "hysteria."
I'll give you a heck yeah, but there are far more compelling reasons for why we went into Iraq than those you state.
BTW:
Here is my understanding of Antietam (and all this in about four hours not four years):
More men were killed or wounded at Antietam on September 17, 1862, than on any other single day of the Civil War. Federal losses were 12,410, Confederate losses 10,700. Although neither side gained a decisive victory, Lee's failure to carry the war effort effectively into the North caused Great Britain to postpone recognition of the Confederate government. The battle also gave President Abraham Lincoln the opportunity to issue the Emancipation Proclamation, which, on January 1, 1863, declared free all slaves in States still in rebellion against the United States. Now the war had a dual purpose: to preserve the Union and end slavery.
http://www.civilwarhome.com/antietamdescription.htm
More data
http://www.nps.gov/anti
http://www.nps.gov/archive/anti/home.htm
I wished I did, but I didn't write this. I did post it.
I do agree that that are better reasons to go to Iraq, but I think the point here is these are good reason to really think about how 'bad' this war is going.
gnight!
It's a different case, with the men and women who are fighting in Iraq. They opted to be in the military.
I have no quarrel with the info and, in fact, thank you for posting it. My comment about better reasons should not be taken as criticism. Sorry if it came across that way.
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