When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:

2/7/7 | unknown

[Mr. Silverback]

What do Iraq and Detroit have in common except the rough number of Americans killed?

First, one could argue that that's exactly the point. People keep hearing about casualties day after day, and because our schools have been dumbed down so far, they have no concept at all of the number of dead military operations usually involve. So it is a very powerful to be able to remind someone that these numbers are similar.

Second, American cities (especially those without those pesky handguns!) are supposed to be safe, and war zones are obviously very dangerous. If the people killed in one is even remotely comparable to the other, something is very wrong.

[June Cleaver]

Interesting points. The bottom line is we are really losing very few American soldiers in this war comparative to any other war/conflict we have been in, yet I meet so many young people whose history lessons in school were so bad and the take on the news is so biased is they believe we are in another Vietnam, and with losses comparable to Korea and WWII. When I give the the numbers they are shocked.

[do the dhue]

I am getting various numbers. I can settle on over 600,000 wounded and around 300,000 dead. I have seen the dead number over 400,000 but the wounded number I find is roughly the same.

Still a mute point when compared to the four years we have been in the heart of the ME. Where they hate my guts and burn my flag. I just wished they would wrap themselves in my flag before they burn it.

[do the dhue]

I'd say a Declaration of War is comparable to an attack.

I agree.

Too bad Clinton didn't.

[do the dhue]

I'm tired of being polite with commies.

Commies have normalphobia, Individualphobia, Godphobia, Gunphobia, lifephobia. Don't worry about not being polite. They are already disturbed. And let me tell you this, all their phobias gives me Hollywoodphobia and Post Traumatic Demoratic Party Stress Disorder (PTDPSD).

[do the dhue]

it was dreadful to watch Clinton do nothing as we were being attacked on numberous occations.

Plus cut our Military and Intel. And if my memory serves me right, he passed a law regarding the FBI, CIA, and NSA communications (or lack thereof).

Anything to make America look bad. That is what the Bommie Castards wish to do. So, don't let it surprise you in the future.

[Carry_Okie]

Here's a better question to ask a leftist:

If the government of Iraq had sponsored an act of terrorism on American Soil with significant loss of innocent life, would that justify a war to remove that government?

They did, in Oklahoma City.

[do the dhue]

I am going to get this book. Have you read it?

After the bombing, didn't we have some ME men held at some airports? Also, if my memory serves me well, GB held somebody for a while too.

[Carry_Okie]

Have you read it?

No, but I've read a ton of information that's in it while it was being compiled. A lot of it was posted here on FR.

What irks me is the way the Reno DOJ coverup wasn't pursued when GWB took office. Same with TWA 800.

[Just A Nobody]

Thanks for the ping Cal! I'll print it out for our heroes. They will love it!

[syriacus]

The press loves to keep running tallies of American deaths, especially violent deaths.

Here's another tally for the MSM, comparing American deaths, month by month, in Iraq with American deaths, month by month, in Korea.

Iraq--Korea
65 -- 2,849
73 -- 1,754
37 -- 3,345
30 -- 386
47 -- 3,475
35 -- 2,154
30 -- 657
43 -- 2,068
82 -- 886
40 -- 1,072
47 -- 1,161
19 -- 806
52 -- 314
147-- 504
88 -- 1,394
44 -- 1,659
61 -- 531
71 -- 221
84 -- 206
68 -- 147
140 --175
73 -- 226
108 -- 201
62 -- 84
36 -- 450
52 -- 412
82 -- 619
77 -- 1,017
55 -- 302
85 -- 197
54 -- 173
96 -- 243
88 -- 541
67 -- 310
65 -- 199
56 -- 471
33 -- 1,006
81 -- 7
71 -- 5
61 -- 63
51 -- 52
70 -- 360
76 -- 131
108 -- 129
76 -- 83

[syriacus]

6 months comparisons of Iraq and Korean Conflicts
Time frame--Iraq---Korea
1st 6 mos --287 -- 13,963
2nd 6 mos --261 -- 6,650
3rd 6 mos --463 -- 4,623
4th 6 mos --535 -- 1,439
5th 6 mos --387 -- 2,997
6th 6 mos --426 -- 1,937
7th 6 mos --367 -- 1,493

Year by year comparison
Year --Iraq -- Korea
1st-- 548 -- 20,613
2nd --998 -- 6,062
3rd --813 -- 4,934

[milemark]

We have far fewer car bombs exploding in Detroit though. And hardly any death squads.

[jveritas]

Excellent post.

[SoldierDad]

How bout a "Hell Yeah!!!!".

[do the dhue]

The point is we are in a war zone. A place where car bombs are going off. The media would have you believe that the war is going to heck in a hand basket. And if that is the case, the media should have you believe that Detroit is going to heck in a hand basket too.

I ask you, what do you think our MSM (Main Stream Media - aka LSM - Lame Stream Media) would say after two and a half days on Iwo Jima? 2,500 Marines and Sailors gave their lives in 2.5 days of fighting on Iwo Jima.

What would our media say after Antietam, where 22,000 Soldiers gave their lives (12,000 Yankees and 10,000 Rebels)? The point is our Troops are doing a great job in Iraq. And tuff times don't last. Tuff people do.

I have not and will not waver, tire, falter, or fail. Peace and Freedom will prevail.

God Bless George W Bush and the Nation he leads.

[do the dhue]

That works even better.

[freedomdefender]

b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.

Germany declared war on us. Iraq didn't/ Not that I oppose the invasion of Iraq, but a lot of your points are faulty. Also, don't downplay the 3000 American dead. They don't deserve to be downplayed. 3000 people died on 9-11 and nobody tries to belittle that number, so don't belittle the number of American dead in Iraq. Their sacrifice served a noble cause - but that's a lot of American dead and I for one won't hear anyone say it isn't/

[do the dhue]

What irks me is the way the Reno DOJ coverup wasn't pursued when GWB took office. Same with TWA 800.

It would be interesting to know what Bush would have been told. If he was told that there could have been a connection with the ME, he should order a investigation now.

[do the dhue]

Please excuse me. I do not wish to give the impression that you have.

To tell the truth, I would have rather died on a battle field then of old age. My life now means what? To have died on a battle field, I know I would have proudly given my life for a someones freedom.

But I want you to know this:

the people who sacrifice are not the Warriors. The people who sacrifice are the mother, father, brothers, sisters, wife, daughter, son, grandparents, and friends. I am saying that the ones who give the ultimate gift to freedom is the family.

And in most all cases, the true warrior knows his job and gladly does it. He gladly does it not because he likes it, but because of his brothers and sisters.

May God Bless all of our intrepid warriors.