Posted on 02/07/2007 5:41:35 PM PST by do the dhue
Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea North Korea never attacked us .. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year.
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .. an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us . He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
But Wait
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation..
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB ! The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts
(I checked this out on Snopes, and it's true)
But Wait, There's more!
WHAT JOHN GLENN SAID
JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR) Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a l iving. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.
This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn): "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): "I served 23 years in the United StatesMarine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me .. . as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men ... with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Or phans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee.. and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.
You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA.
Now he's a Senator!
I agree. 3,000 American deaths is a lot.
And 30,000 deaths under Truman in 30 months in Korea is 10 times that lot
I forgot to mention that many of the 30,000 who died under Truman were drafted.
Did Korea declare war on us before we fought for South Korea's freedom from the dictator Kim Il-sung?
Yes. Read your history. North Korea invaded South Korea. American troops were already in South Korea, The North Koreans attacked them and pushed them to the south of the peninsula. MacArthur launched what amounted to, as much as anything, a resuce operation for those American troops.
Also that we were just under a cease fire from the first time.
...and that *from 1998*, it was our official government policy, passed by Congress and signed by the President to remove Hussein from power by whatever means necessary.
That depends upon what they are arguing. If they are fussing about the number of soldiers dead...well, as of late 2004, the mortality rate for a soldier in Iraq was about what it was like to be 38 here in the U.S. just living in towns where teenagers drive.
Plus, there's the hypocrisy factor. As Limbaugh asked when he compared our 821 servicemember deaths to Philadelphia's 406 murders, will Arlen Specter hold hearings on why over 400 Americans lost their lives in a city of 1.5 million?
How about noting that Giuliani winning election over Dinkins saved about 5,000 lives in just Giuliani's first term. Voting Democrat in NYC is more dangerous than the whole of Iraq.
Excellent point!
I'm beginning to collect a small library on the Korean Conflict. Can you recommend any good books?
I've just finished reading one book on Korea which was recommended by another Freeper(America's Tenth Legion, by Shelby Stanton) and am currently reading two others (one is by the Center of Military History of the United States Army Ebb and Flow: November 1950-July 1951)
The US had withdrawn all but a small number of troops from South Korea by 1949.* .
* from: Dean Acheson, Present at the Creation: My Years at the State Department
"In accordance with resolutions of the United Nations sponsored by us at the request of the Pentagon to get our remaining divisions out of Korea, all foreign troops (that is, Soviet and American) were to leave Korea and did so by mid-1949. For our part, only an advisory group of about five hundred officers and men remained to complete equipping South Korean forces."
In 1948, Truman had approved a US policy to avoid becoming "so irrevocably involved in the Korean situation that an action taken by any faction or Korea or by any other power in Korea could be considered a 'casus belli' for the United States."
That policy was interpreted by North Korea as a sign that the US would not protect South Korea.
The North Korean invasion of South Korea was not a declaration of war on the US
500 troops can be rescued without going to war.
The North Koreans -- who invaded the country without provacation -- had US troops hemmed in at the South of the Peninsula and facing slaughter. If that's not a "declaration of war," I don't know what is.
in international law, an act of war is the equivalent of a declaration of war.
I'm all in.
Good post
Did North Korea come right out and declare war on the US?
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
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Sorry. The US was involved in Viet Nam back in the 50s. President Truman supported France's involvement $75 Million along with 8 C-47s.
In Aug 50, we sent the Military Assistance Advisory Group.
By 1952 the US supplied 1/3 of the cost of the French Military effort.
Kennedy may have prolonged the war but he didn't start it.
They were declaring war on the Republic of Korea, not the US. Truman initiated the police action to stop the spread of Communism, not because the US was attacked.
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