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No, Republicans are NOT okay with ripping human babies limb from limb!
National Right to Life ^ | Feb 14, 2003

Posted on 02/07/2007 1:18:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Key Facts on Partial-Birth Abortion

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In a partial-birth abortion, the abortionist pulls a living baby feet-first out of the womb and into the birth canal (vagina), except for the head, which the abortionist purposely keeps lodged just inside the cervix (the opening to the womb). The abortionist punctures the base of the baby’s skull with a surgical instrument, such as a long surgical scissors or a pointed hollow metal tube called a trochar. He then inserts a catheter (tube) into the wound, and removes the baby's brain with a powerful suction machine. This causes the skull to collapse, after which the abortionist completes the delivery of the now-dead baby.

The January 2003 Gallup poll found that 70% favored and 25% opposed “a law that would make it illegal to perform a specific abortion procedure conducted in the last six months of pregnancy known as ‘partial birth abortion,’ except in cases necessary to save the life of the mother.” (margin of error +/- 3%)

The term “partial-birth” is perfectly accurate. Under both federal law and most state laws, a “live birth” occurs when a baby is entirely expelled from the mother and shows any signs of life, however briefly -- regardless of whether the baby is “viable,” i.e., developed enough to be sustained outside the womb with neo-natal medical assistance. Even at 4½ months (20 weeks), perinatologists say that if a baby is expelled or removed completely from the uterus, she will usually gasp for breath and sometimes survive for hours, even though lung development is usually insufficient to permit successful sustained respiration until 23 weeks.

Some prominent defenders of partial-birth abortions, such as NARAL's Kate Michelman and syndicated columnist Ellen Goodman, insisted that anesthesia kills the babies before they are removed from the womb. This myth has been refuted by professional societies of anesthesiologists. In reality, the babies are alive and experience great pain when subjected to a partial-birth abortion. [Documentation on request.]


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; partialbirth; prolife
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To: Enosh

RINO's call it choice. The babies call it infanticide.


41 posted on 02/07/2007 1:44:39 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Enosh

My candidate, whomever he may be, will be one who will naturally and unapologetically use the bully pulpit to speak out against Roe vs Wade and against the evil practice of killing innocent human life in the womb by any means... or he won't be my candidate.


42 posted on 02/07/2007 1:45:14 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Frank Sheed
RINO's call it choice. The babies call it infanticide.

And I call it Murder.
43 posted on 02/07/2007 1:45:44 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
The American government needs to STOP Murdering PEOPLE(babies)..

AND replacing them with Legal and Illegal aliens... who VOTE democrat..

Could be its not a coincidence of issues.. but a heinous PLAN...

The Communist Manifesto has already become America Law..
A few care or even NOTICE..

44 posted on 02/07/2007 1:45:52 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Jim Robinson

I couldn't agree more. Thanks.


45 posted on 02/07/2007 1:48:49 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Jim Robinson
or he won't be my candidate.

Same here, in the primaries. But when we get to the general election, this time I'm ABB. (Anybody But Hillary)

McCain -vs- Hillary is my worst nightmare this time around.

46 posted on 02/07/2007 1:49:17 PM PST by Enosh
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To: trisham

You're welcome! :)


47 posted on 02/07/2007 1:49:42 PM PST by cgk (Republicanism didn't make Conservatives a majority. Conservatism made Republicans a majority. [NEWT])
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks Jim for having the courage to speak the truth and do what's right regardless of the consequences.


48 posted on 02/07/2007 1:50:15 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: hosepipe
I'm with you Hosepipe.

There's nothing more evil than the slaughter of the innocents that occurs day in and day out.

It's truly shameful there are so many who willingly turn a blind eye to the wholesale butchery of our future for convenience or political expediency.

But anything to win, No?
49 posted on 02/07/2007 1:51:34 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Jim Robinson; JohnnyZ; fieldmarshaldj; Kuksool; Clintonfatigued; Dan from Michigan; Coop; Impy; ...

Thank you for posting that, JimRob. I hope FReepers realize that when Rudy Giuliani ran for the Senate in 2000 the Conservative Party of NY told him that they would look past his liberalism and give him the party's spot on the ballot if he did one thing and one thing only: come out in favor of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban. Rudy said no, that he would not favor banning partial-birth abortions, and had he not eventually dropped out of the Senate race he would have faced not only Hillary but also a Conservative Party nominee.

Rudy now says that he would support a ban if it included a "life of the mother" exception, but PBA is never necessary to save a woman's life---if the doctor can deliver half of the baby, he can surely deliver the other half instead of crushing his skull. In fact, the "exception" that opponents to the PBA Ban kept trying to add was for the "health of the mother" (which includes "mental health") and in fact would not ban a single abortion, since the abortionist can always say that it could affect the mother's "health" (including mental health) to give birth to a baby. Rudy hasn't turned a new leaf, he is simply talking the way that pro-aborts have been talking for years now.

If the Republican Party nominates Rudy Giuliani for president in 2008, it would be the equivalent of the Republican Party nominating a pro-slavery candidate for president in 1860. Our party was founded under the proposition that all human beings are created equal and are entitled to legal protection, and we can't drop that principle just because some men would rather have their girlfriends/hook-ups kill their unborn babies than deal with their responsibilities as fathers.


50 posted on 02/07/2007 1:52:18 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: All
The KEY WORD in Guliani's campaign is SEMANTICALLY = BS!... Otherwise known as "bait & Swith" (or the reverse, whatever! :) you get my point. It means they can move the little "ball" around and confuse you... So KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL... Or should I say on the "BULL?" lol.

THOSE EXPENSIVE CONSULTANTS ARE DOING THEIR WORK RIGHT NOW. Let's see if they succeed... After all we Red Staters(?) are supposed to be stupid remember? :)

... Now, what about a climate — not to mention a Republican presidential candidate — that not only tolerates, but allows unelected judges to legalize the practice of delivering a child until only its head remains within its mothers womb so the child can be killed by sucking out its brains?

... What about a climate where same-sex couples are given the same legal status as married couples, whether the resulting arrangements are candidly called “same-sex marriages,” or are semantically papered-over with terms such as “civil unions” or “domestic partnerships”?

... Apply the Giuliani Continuum to fundamental issues such as marriage and the right to life, and where does it lead?

... Not where conservatives want America to be.

... Rudy Giuliani’s observation about the “continuum” running from graffiti to murder was quoted in a piece in the winter edition of City Journal by Steven Malanga. The title of Malanga’s piece neatly encapsulates his argument: “Yes, Rudy is a Conservative — and an electable one at that.”

... I believe Malanga is wrong on both counts. Rudy is neither conservative, nor electable — at least, not as a Republican presidential candidate.

National Review article by Terence P. Jeffrey


51 posted on 02/07/2007 1:52:48 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 &Let's not forget, we are all still friends - basically :) despite our differences)
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To: Spiff
in his own state of New York City.

in his own state of New York City.

52 posted on 02/07/2007 1:53:22 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: AuH2ORepublican
If the Republican Party nominates Rudy Giuliani for president in 2008, it would be the equivalent of the Republican Party nominating a pro-slavery candidate for president in 1860

..good analogy Goldwater...

53 posted on 02/07/2007 1:56:11 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Jim Robinson

I understand that abortion has serious consequences in the later lives of those who have had them. So it basically destroys at least two lives each time it is performed.
This being the case, it is obviously much more than just a fetus, or blob as some would have us believe.


54 posted on 02/07/2007 1:57:19 PM PST by westmichman (They cried "Peace, peace," but there is no peace.)
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To: trisham; cgk
I love that photo. Thanks.

Same here. My niece was even smaller than that at birth...

If we turn our backs on the children "for the good of the party" how could we ever be taken seriously again?

55 posted on 02/07/2007 2:02:05 PM PST by buschbaby
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To: buschbaby
If we turn our backs on the children "for the good of the party" how could we ever be taken seriously again?

************

Good question.

56 posted on 02/07/2007 2:04:18 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

"Americans kill more than one million American children every year.

The Democrat Party thinks that's a sacred right.

I think it's as great an evil as anything Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, or Hitler ever committed. Worse; it's done voluntarily by private citizens, not on government orders."

Powerfully written, thank you.
tatt




57 posted on 02/07/2007 2:08:19 PM PST by thesearethetimes...
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To: Jim Robinson

Unbelievable that God doesn't strike us down for allowing this to happen at all. I don't think there is anything more ghastly, and those that defend this are pure filth.


58 posted on 02/07/2007 2:14:31 PM PST by xmission
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To: alnick
I agree with YOU!! Late term pregnancies which threaten a mothers life, are delivered vis cesarean birth, NOT abortion!
59 posted on 02/07/2007 2:16:03 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Jim Robinson

The real shame is that none of the Republican candidates are saying anything about abortion or other life issues. They all seem to have other agendas that THEY feel are more important.


60 posted on 02/07/2007 2:17:54 PM PST by BMIC
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