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1 posted on 02/05/2007 6:19:38 PM PST by JTN
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2 posted on 02/05/2007 6:19:57 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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Entertaining -- for everybody but the victims.

Another problem is more rear-end collisions, as drivers in front slam on the brakes to avoid going through on a yellow (which is permissible).

The city fathers attempt to justify this by saying, "Well, rear end collisions are safer than T-bones." As though drivers were totally interchangeable and fungible, and a rear end collision is a T-bone prevented (not!). Doesn't help the guy whose car is totalled when the engine compartment collapses (or the guy whose nose is broken by the airbag.)

3 posted on 02/05/2007 6:25:11 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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Part of the problem is the judge's and prosecutor's salary comes from the same kitty fed by the traffic citations.

This is akin to the tax farming of the Roman Empire: Wealthy or soon to be wealthy men would buy the right to collect taxes, fees, tarriffs, or tolls, over a certain geographical area, for a certain period of time. The government was paid up front, and the people were squeezed to make the profit. Such was the life that Matthew the Publican led.

Let us hope that we can give these new ticks "religion".


4 posted on 02/05/2007 6:26:51 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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"We are starting to lose our freedom," one motorist said.

So to keep you from running red lights and broadsiding my family you decide you are losing your freedom.

Ha. Ha. (McCain-Feingold, gun control, income tax, regulation, litigation, EPA..,

5 posted on 02/05/2007 6:27:18 PM PST by groanup (War is not the answer, victory is.)
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Wait until these speed cameras start ticketing speeders on freeways and surface streets. It's already done in one State but I forgot to make a note what State.


7 posted on 02/05/2007 6:32:31 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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You know what would work? When the light turns red and 3'' steel plate comes up vertically from the street 3 feet high stopping any moving object in its tracks.


13 posted on 02/05/2007 6:53:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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Traffic Tickets have always been guilty until proven innocent. Nothing new about that.

Tell me one other court where a police officer can testify alone ,his word against yours and you are guilty.


15 posted on 02/05/2007 7:00:47 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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Arizona has the most egregious examples of this hidden tax program. The CITY of Scottsdale is taxing citizens, er I mean issuing tickets to speeders, by positioning unmanned photo radar (speed cameras) along a stretch of STATE highway in one of the most affluent sections of Arizona.

Wait til the other states get a load of the revenue, excuse me, I mean safe driving conditions, this will generate.

Puhlease.

The highway patrol's union head (I think that's who said this) had it right:

"Convincing citizens that photo radar is in their best interest is like convincing trout that fishing in their stream is for their benefit".

One city in AZ realized they were short of revenue for their targets...so they decided to buy another camera to offset the decrease in tax revenues. Now, all these redlight cameras have been "upgraded" to add speed detection capability.

Read the Arizona Repulsive's coverage of the issue. See how they repeat the tired mantra - "its about safety, its for the children". Not content their message was getting through, they even named the section of freeway a catchy name like "the death corridor" because it had 7 fatalities in one year (or some such relatively insignificant and easily spun statistic).

With their worn out mantra about safety, they mention all the stats about tickets issued, fines collected, non-issuable tickets...conspicuously absent is accident prevention metrics where the best they can do for relevant metrics is comparing this heavily regulated, camera-covered stretch of highway to an equidistant (yet socio-demographically opposite) but non-camera covered stretch of highway on the absolute other side of town.

They have yet to "release" the metrics showing how effective these tactics have been on reducing accidents in the same section of freeway in a similar time period after the install of the cameras.

For a time, the state legislators balked at the audacity of Scottsdale to poach on their turf...right up until they got a whiff of the cash involved. Seems the state is now complicit after a deal to share proceeds. Our "Janet Reno-lite" governor is now pushing for more cities to adopt this tactic to fleece law abiding citizens and enrich the camera company that pockets the lion's share of the fine. The city of Scottsdale opened a revamped impressive payment processing center that has 20 some windows to handle the volume of transactions around these tickets.

We need to stand up and resist these veiled attempts to make law abiding citizens pay, meanwhile they do nothing to add police to the streets to pursue thefts, drunk drivers, and legitimate threats to public safety...


16 posted on 02/05/2007 7:05:53 PM PST by AZGunSlinger
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Arizona has the most egregious examples of this hidden tax program. The CITY of Scottsdale is taxing citizens, er I mean issuing tickets to speeders, by positioning unmanned photo radar (speed cameras) along a stretch of STATE highway in one of the most affluent sections of Arizona.

Wait til the other states get a load of the revenue, excuse me, I mean safe driving conditions, this will generate.

Puhlease.

The highway patrol's union head (I think that's who said this) had it right:

"Convincing citizens that photo radar is in their best interest is like convincing trout that fishing in their stream is for their benefit".

One city in AZ realized they were short of revenue for their targets...so they decided to buy another camera to offset the decrease in tax revenues. Now, all these redlight cameras have been "upgraded" to add speed detection capability.

Read the Arizona Repulsive's coverage of the issue. See how they repeat the tired mantra - "its about safety, its for the children". Not content their message was getting through, they even named the section of freeway a catchy name like "the death corridor" because it had 7 fatalities in one year (or some such relatively insignificant and easily spun statistic).

With their worn out mantra about safety, they mention all the stats about tickets issued, fines collected, non-issuable tickets...conspicuously absent is accident prevention metrics where the best they can do for relevant metrics is comparing this heavily regulated, camera-covered stretch of highway to an equidistant (yet socio-demographically opposite) but non-camera covered stretch of highway on the absolute other side of town.

They have yet to "release" the metrics showing how effective these tactics have been on reducing accidents in the same section of freeway in a similar time period after the install of the cameras.

For a time, the state legislators balked at the audacity of Scottsdale to poach on their turf...right up until they got a whiff of the cash involved. Seems the state is now complicit after a deal to share proceeds. Our "Janet Reno-lite" governor is now pushing for more cities to adopt this tactic to fleece law abiding citizens and enrich the camera company that pockets the lion's share of the fine. The city of Scottsdale opened a revamped impressive payment processing center that has 20 some windows to handle the volume of transactions around these tickets.

We need to stand up and resist these veiled attempts to make law abiding citizens pay, meanwhile they do nothing to add police to the streets to pursue thefts, drunk drivers, and legitimate threats to public safety...


17 posted on 02/05/2007 7:05:54 PM PST by AZGunSlinger
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These infernal things are pretty new here.

The good news is they're already being paintballed.

Pretty soon, they'll get pushed over or pulled down with chains, then they'll start suffering from a combination of old tires and gasoline.

30 posted on 02/05/2007 7:25:27 PM PST by elkfersupper
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It appears NewsChannel5 can't tell the difference between a red light camera and a speed camera. Both the incidents described involve a speed camera.


33 posted on 02/05/2007 7:29:44 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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re: Motorists Prove Red-Light Cameras Don't

This article has virtually nothing to do with red-light cameras. It's about one man's fight over a speeding ticket.

It's one thing to use cameras to enforce red light violations, but quite another to use them to catch speeders. In the red light situation it's pretty obvious what color the light is when the pictures snapped and where the car in relation to the intersection. But I know of know way to judge speed with the use of a single picture, regardless of how much you know about distances and other cars in the photo.

The speeder catcher camera is used along with a timing device. The device clocks the speed and if it's over the limit then a picture is taken. The camera itself is not measuring speed.

If they are going to go after those who run red lights I would rather be caught by a camera than a cop. If a cop says I ran the red light it's his word against mine. The camera is much more objective. And I don't have to put up with a surly camera. Some officers can be pretty unpleasant when issuing a citation and I would just as soon be spared that experience!

Anyway, my main complaint is that the headline and the article are about different things.
40 posted on 02/05/2007 8:24:38 PM PST by jwparkerjr
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45 posted on 02/05/2007 8:38:10 PM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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If they send you picture of your traffic violation in the mail send them a picture of your check.


52 posted on 02/05/2007 9:11:07 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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Two tickets since ~1988 for no front license plate here. It is worth it. ;)


62 posted on 02/06/2007 1:00:13 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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Just another side effect of 9/11.

We are increasing your safety.

Brought to you by the Dept. of Homeland Stupidity.

Resulting in more cynicism and lack of respect for authority. Witness the 55 MPH speed limit and the damage it has done.


BUMP

77 posted on 02/06/2007 2:29:25 AM PST by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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"Becomes pretty clear that it wasn't your vehicle that was speeding," the judge said.

Actually he was. He was going five miles an hour over the limit. He just wasn't speeding as bad as they said he was originally.

78 posted on 02/06/2007 2:34:04 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am the Cat who Walks by Himself and all places are alike to me!)
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we need to adopt a loser pays for CRIMINAL court.

If a defendant is found not guilty they they SHOULD be reimbursed for their legal fees for WHATEVER lawyer they have hired.


82 posted on 02/06/2007 5:46:43 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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For those who want to beat the system
83 posted on 02/06/2007 5:53:35 AM PST by SC DOC
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Here's one writer's analysis of this situation:

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=20437


93 posted on 02/06/2007 7:12:38 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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