Bernard Lewis: Muslims to Take Over Europe

Newsmax ^ | February 1, 2007 | Newsmax

[SMM48]

So, the question is: Will America be taken over by Islam or will Mexico be the victor?

[MinorityRepublican]

The difference is that so far, the Muslims in America are not as radicalized as the ones in Europe.

[Vaquero]

ARM YOURSELF.....

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

Observation. Countries that have largely maintained their Christian faith have largely resisted the infiltration by those who want to eliminate Christians. (Poland and Greece).
Countries that have largely given up their Christian faith have largely opened their borders wide to those who want to eliminate Christians. (France, England, Denmark, Sweden, Holland and others).
Any thoughts or comments?

[InvisibleChurch]

Lewis said Israel and the West should work to strengthen moderate forces within Iran via an aggressive propaganda campaign.

I forget, is the Western(US) lifestyle liberal or conservative in Iran?

[hinckley buzzard]

Lewis recognizes what most Amnericans do not--that Jihad is a comprehensive struggle, and like the supposed WoT, the military, violent part is only one part. Intimidation is the basis of the jihad which has been ongoing in Europe for years, and most europeans don't even know when they are being conquered.

To be fair, neither do most Americans understand-- that for example, every time Bill OReilly hosts some parasite like Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR, Islam has won another battle. It is a victory for Jihad every time a moslem killer like this is even given voice by supine media whores like OReilly-- a pathetic useful idiot who is, alas! better than 90% of his fellow media suck-ups.

[untenured]

Reliable demographers put the Islamic majority in France at 2050. Muslim women are having 4+ babies each, by their mid-twenties. Ethnically French women are having about 1.1 children each by their 40s. The most popular name for baby boys in France is Mohammed. The population of 18 year olds (fighting age) in France is already a 50% : 50%, Muslim : Non-Muslim. France is by all indications a goner.

I'd like sources if you can get 'em. None I trust have numbers remotely close to this.

[hinckley buzzard]

You persist in comparing the jihadi to the flower children of the '60's. Having been one you know full well that you and your cohort had no commitment to anything other than infantile narcissitic gratification.

None of you ever came close to doing a single thing that would risk your life and limb. The jihadis OTOH are not only ready but eager to die for their cause--like the Nazis you fools emulated but never had the moral courage to acknowledge.

Sleep on, Sixties' child, and please do not insult the rest of us by further identifying yourself thus.

[Thunder90]

Most Europeans also want to SURRENDER to Russia over oil issues.

[Thunder90]

The Chinese will also use that oppurtunity to expand, and will be slapped down hard. They may also send units (2 million troops) to assist the Russians against Israel in that war.

[M. Dodge Thomas]

None of you ever came close to doing a single thing that would risk your life and limb

Well, that's my point, that if you want to be accurate you could say that "most politically active people in that era never came close to doing a single thing that would risk life and limb".

That even at the height of radical left and anti-war sentiment in the US there were probably a few thousand people loosely affiliated with organized groups such as the Weathermen that actually advocated (at least in theory) violent "direct action", probably a thousand or less who personally provided significant support of such activities, and only a handful of individuals who directly participated in "terrorist acts" - as best I can judge from reports in the US and international media and from conversations with Europeans, that's roughly the situation within "radical Islam" in Western Europe today.

This does not mean it's not a matter of serious concern - for thing the "technology of terrorism" has greatly advanced in the last 40 years, for another religious conviction is not exactly equivalent to political belief.

But it's also the case that (for example) in France - where less than a quarter of the Islamic population is observant and the radical portion of that quarter is being created largely in religious institutions highly dependent to foreign support for their existence - that the success of "Radical Islam" is far from a forgone conclusion; you have to lot of pessimistic assumptions for that to be the case, and you have to ignore a lot of historical evidence suggesting that alternatives are at least as likely.

[StatenIsland]

bump

[HardStarboard]

>>>But 40 years later most of those “revolutionaries” have families, two cars and big mortgages, and a lot of them and voted for George W. Bush.<<<

The 60's revolutionaries that voted for GWB are few and far between. Most are rabid secular-progressive liberals. They want the government to take care of them.

The scarier thing is that many of them are in the US House and Senate....and will undo everything conservative and vote for the government entitlements take care of them and their lazy, untalented friends.

[HardStarboard]

>>>The difference is that so far, the Muslims in America are not as radicalized as the ones in Europe.<<<

There is no proof of that....the only thing that there is proof of is that they have not taken concerted action as yet.

But I don't believe the gate-side and airplane antics of the 5 Minneapolis Imams was a genuine muslim religous outpouring.

[HardStarboard]

Mr. Dodge, aquaint yourself with Mark Steyn's "America Alone" and take a step toward busting your bubble.

[R_Kangel]

I don't think it is proper to say that the Muslims will take over Europe!!!

How can they say that when it is practically being handed over to them without even much of a whimper.

[hosepipe]

[.. "Europeans are losing their own loyalties and their own self-confidence," he said. "They have no respect for their own culture." Europeans had "surrendered" on every issue with regard to Islam in a mood of "self-abasement, political correctness and multi-culturalism.” ..]

There you have it.. The Marshall Plan was a huge mistake..
Money down a black hole.. Hitler and the Russians murdered all the decent people in Europe..The Only ones left are Cowards.. Socialist lemmings..

[tomjohn77]

Russia will become Muslim in 2050. Most people dont now that, but they are heading that way before the rest of countries in Europe.

[WesternCulture]

Well, just about how likely is it that radical Muslims will "take over" Europe (and in the prolongation, even the US and the rest of civilization)?

Apparently, decent arguments for Europe and other parts of the West succumbing to a wave of radical teachings of Islam exist;

- The influx of immigrants from Muslim countries into the West.

- The tendency among certain leading Liberal/Leftist Western politicians to underestimate radical Islamism prior to the WTC, even prior to the bombings in London and Madrid and the fact that by today, several of them still appear naive.

- The general process of secularization in the West.

- The declining faith in traditional Western Civilization, especially in Europe, since it failed to prevent the horrors and barbarianism let loose by Hitler, Stalin and Co (- DESPITE the fact democracy later on defeated these movements).

- The rootlessness and alienation many persons of immigrant origin experience today in the West, often finding themselves being clustered together in ghetto like areas and failing to find good opportunities of work.

The list goes on, but even if one, indeed, could continue at length, one ought to acknowledge certain threats to the branch of Islam represented by Al-Qaeda/Al-Qaida, the Mullah's of Iran and the Talibans etc. Threats that many Westerners today seem unaware of, whether they are Liberals/Leftists or Conservatives.

- One aspect of Europe that especially a lot of Republicans in the US tend to overlook, is that while Europe indeed IS more secularized, PC, Liberal and Socialist than most of the US, such an environment hardly constitutes anything like a fertile soil for radical Muslim movements. Islamofascist beliefs seem to spread rather easy among people that are ALREADY culturally Conservative and at the same time COMPARATIVELY backwards, like remote and rural parts of Saudi Arabia, Rural Iran, large parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan and the poorest and least educated of immigrants from Muslim countries to Europe. The LEADING persons might be other kinds of people, but any broad base requires comparative "infrastructures" of societal failure. In the case of Europe, Muslim fanatics probably could recruit some suicide bombers among uneducated immigrant criminals, jobless, outcasts and psychopaths - but then what? It will not weaken European PC secularization, today probably a greater threat to Radical Islamism than Conservative Christianity.

- Iran is the most powerful Islamofascist power on Earth today (counting Saudi Arabia as sheer "Fundamentalist" sooner than "Radical"), but also one that is under severe pressure from within and without. One important aspect is this; The Mullahs will not stay in power unless they manage to accomplish economic development, economic development requires a well educated workforce, well educated workforces tend to crave democracy. An example of the massive opposition among democracy supporters towards the present regime is that for every time a major raid against "dangerously" outspoken newspapers has been carried out, the total number of established daily newspapers in the country has in short time - paradoxically - tended to INcrease rather than DEcrease. Besides this dilemma, oil and gas are more or less the only things Iran has to trade and therefore, it is vulnerable. Furthermore, the present regime of Iran has very few allies in the world, mainly because Iran is the only nation ruled by a Shia/Shiite Muslim theocracy.

- Again looking to Europe, public awareness of Muslim radicalism is on the rise, not to mention the increased attention given Islamofascist terrorism among various European governmental intelligence agencies (national as well as joint-EU organs). Already, several acts of terrorism has been prevented (if we are to believe the politicians and the media).

This list also goes on and on. One could point at many other major obstacles to Islamofascist world hegemony and factors that make such a development on European soil and elsewhere appear unlikely. For instance, two such obstacles are the growing opposition among many Muslim women to traditional interpretations of Islam and the ever-increasing spread of Western or Western influenced mass culture (pop music, movies, Internet, fashion etc) which tend to draw attention from religious indoctrination.

However, determination among Westerners and our allies around the world, whether they be Japanese politicians or moderate Muslims like the ones who inhabit the most developed regions of Turkey and Northern Africa, on creating true democracy and economic development in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Palestine is perhaps the single most important thing required for hindering the arrival of a backward, intolerant, fundamentalist, Islamofascist Dark Age in the Middle East, Europe or elsewhere.

[Eva]

Frankly, I haven't met too many "moderate" Muslims. If they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem. Islam is the problem, any so-called moderate Muslim that is afraid to step up to the microphone and denounce the radicals should agree, Islam is the cause of their fear and the cause of terrorism around the world. The current form of Islam does not allow for half measures.