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January 27, 2007 | AdamSmithWasRight

Posted on 01/26/2007 9:16:25 AM PST by AdamSmithWasRight

As I read the news day in and day out from my perspective of being on the inside looking out, I look at my own home and couldn't be any more embarrassed than I currently am. It has been compounded from 9/11 by constant images and stories in the media about the actions of the Muslim community.

I must admit to myself if I was on the outside looking in I would probably look at myself in the same way so many others do. If all I saw were nihilistic thugs raping, robbing, murdering, and littering the streets of the world with the bodies of innocent people I wouldn't know what else to think of this group of people for religion.

As I now sit inside of the United States I find myself looking at this house in two perspectives. At times from the inside looking out and wanting to escape for this image that has haunts me day in and day out but also at times from the outside looking in. It is these proud patriotic times when religion takes the passenger seat or well I should say, isn't even in the car, that I look at that house and think, "Don't you people get it???"

At moments like this I realize and force myself to accept the reality that the real problem here is the Muslim community itself. It is no longer the fundamentalsits or Al-Qaeda alone, rather the very community itself that has failed to deliver or even show an attempt to remedy this nihilistic ideology within their ranks. As an American but also as a Muslim I would like to convey my most sincere apologies although I know to most this are just empty words in light of the death and injury of so many. For most we have reached a point where apologies and words will do nothing but further agitate the situation. Rather what is needed is action.

It is this which I do recognize and wish deliver, but I realize that I can only do this with help from others. I would hope that the American people, my brothers and sisters, would not so easily give up on the Bush doctrine of changing the face of the middle east where this dangerous threat to world civility and humanity is found. If we hope to find change I believe we can only find it in the overthrowing and or absolute destruction of the very regimes and elements that support this authoritarinism from within their midst. As long as we hold on to the Bush doctrine I honestly believe that we can one day watch the purple fingers of freedom wave from Morocco to Indonesia.

Until that day, if it comes, I apologize my friends and ask you to stick with the President and his vision for a new middle east.


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To: jcb1379
Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."

Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."

Qur'an:4:94 "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah's Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!' Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty."

Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward."

Qur'an:4:100 "He who leaves his home in Allah's Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy."

Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not."

Bukhari:V4B52N311 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘There is no migration after the Conquest of Mecca, but only Jihad. When you are called by the Muslim ruler for Jihad fighting, you should go forth immediately, responding to the call.'"

Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote: "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."

61 posted on 01/26/2007 10:26:52 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: rlmorel
Hehe, thanks.

That was a carryover from this thread.

62 posted on 01/26/2007 10:27:27 AM PST by Constitution Day (I can't understand just what does he say)
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To: Jeffrey_D.; Bahbah; SF Republican; Constitution Day
Hey Mod's...... How about pulling "edcoil"

SECOND!

63 posted on 01/26/2007 10:27:52 AM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: Stark_GOP
Doesn't mention the Ten Commandments. Nor God. The argument IS old--God is not in the Constitution.
The Ten Commandments laid out the basic tenets of religious morality. That is a historical fact. However, there has been codified law since Hammurabi, and the Babylonians were polytheists. His laws were not based on religious belief but rather common social sense--stealing is bad for society, murder is bad for society.

I think, perhaps, you are arming yourself for a "God doesn't have any place in society" argument, whereas the opposite is true. I recognize the destruction that befalls mankind when he thinks he has the inside track without God. The point I am making is that the Constitution is based on near-universally accepted ideas of morality, which, through the millenia, have become influenced by religion. Doesn't make it a religious document, nor even a recognition thereof. As the Declaration stated, "We hold these truths to be self-evident," thus, obvious, needing no further explanation or statement. The Constitution details the make-up of the government (the "constitution" thereof), and lists very few actual "laws' ("stealing will be punished by..." or "murder is defined as..."). It was inspired by the writings of Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau, and other Enlightenment thinkers. The Framers didn't have a blank parchment on one side of the table and a copy of the Ten Commandments on the other, since the Constitution hardly deals with issues of morality or behavior at all. It says there will be three branches, with a bicameral legislature making the laws, an executive branch enforcing them, and a judicial branch resolving disputes, and all the minutiae thereafter.

Re-read it. The only reference to the Creator is in the closing, "Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth." i.e. A.D. 1787
64 posted on 01/26/2007 10:28:37 AM PST by jcb1379
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To: presidio9

I'll be very surprised if they do.
They seem to let many things slide nowadays that would have been gone in a flash some years back.


65 posted on 01/26/2007 10:29:15 AM PST by Constitution Day (.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

There are many things in the Bible that, if taken literally and acted on, would violate U.S. law. Human sacrifice, for example. Most people, no matter what faith they practice, try to obey the laws of the land in which they live. Most, not all. There are thousands of American crimnals who also happen to be Christians. People like you who paint with the broadest possible brush are no different from Muslism who think all Americans are evil.


66 posted on 01/26/2007 10:30:19 AM PST by Wolfstar ("A nation that hates its Horatios is already in grave danger of losing its soul." Dr. Jack Wheeler)
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To: rlmorel

I don't think "secular" is even an issue here. Obeying the laws, claiming citizenship, and enjoying the rights bestowed because of it doesn't make one "secular." It makes one a "citizen." Are priests American citizens, or Baptists ministers? They are hardly "secular," but are still citizens.

Obeying the laws is much different from trying to eradicate them through bombs and conversion to Sharia.


67 posted on 01/26/2007 10:30:27 AM PST by jcb1379
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Then your neighbor is no longer a Muslim. Good for them, that's nice to see.

People aren't born Muslims, it isn't a race, it's blood cult that they are brainwashed into from birth. It's very difficult to escape it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to encorage them however. Every soul saved is worth the effort.


68 posted on 01/26/2007 10:31:33 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Also, I didn't see anything in the quotes you provided about "do not obey the laws of your government; claim no citizenship other than that of a soldier for Allah" or somesuch. Government isn't mentioned, nor citizenship.


69 posted on 01/26/2007 10:31:52 AM PST by jcb1379
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To: AdamSmithWasRight

Good post, thanks, apology accepted.

Now I respectfully remind you of your words, "Rather what is needed is action."

God bless! I shall keep you in prayer as you start/continue this much needed work in your community!


70 posted on 01/26/2007 10:32:40 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: edcoil

You are free to say what you want, Free Republic is also free not to subsidize it.

I loathe when people claim they are being censored simply because people who PAY for the venue in which opinions are expressed don't want particular opinions expressed there. You are free to spout whatever idiocy you choose, and the rest of us are free to ignore it, just as the moderator is free to ban it--it's not your website!


71 posted on 01/26/2007 10:33:37 AM PST by jcb1379
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To: presidio9

I think that would be a good idea too.


72 posted on 01/26/2007 10:34:03 AM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Actually, the Constitution states we are a nation under God.

I think you're confusing the Pledge of Allegiance with the Constitution.

73 posted on 01/26/2007 10:34:55 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Constitution Day
They seem to let many things slide nowadays that would have been gone in a flash some years back.

The moderators, especially the one who works on Fridays, are too busy suspending me for weeks at a time for posting stories about women who kill their babies. No joke: Got a week because the moderator was titillated by a story about a woman who poisoned her daughter with cocaine-laced breast milk, but open racism is perfectly kosher here. You figure it out.

74 posted on 01/26/2007 10:35:11 AM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: Jazzman1

"Wonderful essay, however, isnt it a tenet of your religion to LIE to the infidels in order to advance your brutal agenda? Sorry, but this American just doesnt trust muslims or liberals!"

No, it's a tenet of my religion (Christianity) not to lie.


75 posted on 01/26/2007 10:35:27 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Wolfstar
No there are not many thing in the bible if taken literaly blah blah blah...

By all means post them if you think there are.

The Koran on the otherhand, is a contunious instruction manual instructing it's "believers" to destroy all others,muerder, maime, slaughter, mutilate, convert the world to Islam. There aren't "just a few bad verves" in the Koran. There are FEW GOOD ONES.

76 posted on 01/26/2007 10:35:39 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

"ot the same thing. With Christianity, ,there is seperation from Church and state, with Islam, it IS church and state, and law and order. It's a totalitarian system. Christianity is not.
You cannot be a American and a Muslim, because America is based on manmade law, which is forbidden in Islam. Allah (Mohammads) law or death."

I understand what you're saying.


77 posted on 01/26/2007 10:36:21 AM PST by dljordan
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To: presidio9
There is no figuring that out.
78 posted on 01/26/2007 10:36:24 AM PST by Constitution Day (.)
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To: Wolfstar

Just a little quibble with your post:
Christians, for the most part, follow the New Testament, as Christ brought the New Covenant. The New Testament is pretty tame when it comes to the violence of the OT, so Christians can disclaim that violence.


79 posted on 01/26/2007 10:37:22 AM PST by jcb1379
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To: edcoil

"Just trying to provoke a conversation - some attack but do not defend. You know the drill here, however the Christian religion is full of references to treat everyone equally and to support your government."

I know. Just HAD to act like I'm really fair and balanced.


80 posted on 01/26/2007 10:37:44 AM PST by dljordan
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