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Is Rudy Likely to Be a Favorite or a Flop?
Real Clear Politics ^ | January 16 2007 | Stuart Rothenberg

Posted on 01/16/2007 8:21:49 AM PST by Reagan Man

Today's deepest division is between those political observers who believe that Rudy Giuliani is a credible contender for the Republican presidential nomination and those who think that his chances are no better than those of California Rep. Duncan Hunter.

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Giuliani's strong showing in GOP polling reflects his celebrity status and the reputation he earned after the terrorist attacks. But if and when he becomes a candidate, that will change. He will be evaluated on the basis of different things, including his past and current positions and behavior, and he'll be attacked by critics and opponents. A Giuliani nomination would also generate a conservative third-party candidate in the general election and tear the GOP apart, thereby undercutting Giuliani's electability argument.

So, the former mayor might make a terrific general election candidate, but I don't see how he can get there as a Republican.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; elections; giuliani; rmthread
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To: tioga

Can you spell Edwards?


21 posted on 01/16/2007 8:42:36 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show someone with bad knees)
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To: Reagan Man

I'm thinking that maybe its time for the Republicans to fade away. I'm firmly in Rudy's camp. It's either him or Hillary. Pick your poison.


22 posted on 01/16/2007 8:43:10 AM PST by RichardW
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To: Dreagon
They could sit at home and get the same thing with a democrat winning.

Ah yes, the cry of the unappeasable Right.

Why settle for half a pie when you could have none.

23 posted on 01/16/2007 8:43:41 AM PST by Wormwood (Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderate)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
When Edwards debated Cheney he looked like a little boy playing pretend....he flopped big time to Cheney. I doubt Rudy would come off as such an amateur, however he is too far left for me. His personal life is revolting. I like that he is strong and cleaned up NYC even before 9/11.
24 posted on 01/16/2007 8:47:30 AM PST by tioga
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To: boomop1
Why did all the social conservatives vote for Bush? The lesser of 2 evils?

Bush is a social Conservative. He lacks fiscal Conservatism.

25 posted on 01/16/2007 8:48:34 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Poincare

When you believe that Illegal Aliens are the front line issue, you are living in a bubble.

The front line issue in the REAL World is, #1., The Iraq War. #2 the economy, #3. The environment, while the Illegal issue is not even in the top 5. (This was taken from memory of an exit poll last December. But the top issues were clearly not Illegal immigrants.)


26 posted on 01/16/2007 8:48:45 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show someone with bad knees)
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To: Wormwood

Ah yes, the cry of the unappeasable Right.

Why settle for half a pie when you could have none.



Guiliani isn't half a pie. He's just a liberal that the Republicans have to live with so they could win an office in New York.
That doesn't cut it for us in the rest of the country. Conservatives get absolutely nothing by supporting Guiliani. If he gets the nomination, it's more in our interest that he loses so the Reps learn they can't win without us.
If I'm going to have a liberal president, then I prefer it to be Democrat. I gain nothing by allowing the Republicans to foist one upon me.


27 posted on 01/16/2007 8:48:52 AM PST by Dreagon
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To: Reagan Man

Rudy is charismatic and a good administrator and leader but not Presidential in his character. Aside from his politics. Rudy would make a good FEMA chief.


28 posted on 01/16/2007 8:49:50 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: concerned about politics

He plays well with others while they kick the shit out of him.


29 posted on 01/16/2007 8:51:35 AM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Dreagon

You appear to be terminally cynical...


30 posted on 01/16/2007 8:54:23 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show someone with bad knees)
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To: silverleaf
Rudy would make a good FEMA chief.

A vote for Rudy as president is no different than a vote for any other liberal. We'll just get more liberalism. It's a lose/lose situation.
You're right. Rudy would be perfect for FEMA, though. That's where his strength is.

31 posted on 01/16/2007 8:55:11 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Reagan Man
I never believed anything Bill Clinton said after he appeared with Hillary on the CBS 60 Minutes interview before the election in 1992 and basically admitted to extramarital affairs without saying the words explicitly.

Infidelity in marriage is a knockout factor that I have applied to candidates since I began voting in 1972. I still hold to this infidelity litmus test because I believe it is a valid indicator of the character and trustworthiness in all other aspects of a man’s life. It certainly proved to be a true indication of Clinton's bad character.

I can’t support Rudy Giuliani in the Primary for this reason among others. I would vote for Rudy in the general election if he is the GOP nominee.

32 posted on 01/16/2007 8:56:35 AM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: Dreagon
I couldn't agree more. I can't think of a better way to tear the Republican Party apart than to nominate a liberal like Rudy.

Many here appear willing to morph the Republican Party into a new, more modern version of the Democratic Party just to elect a "rock star" celebrity. He was a good mayor and did a good job for a liberal city like NY.

However, when it comes to national politics, Rudy would never, ever get my vote.

33 posted on 01/16/2007 8:57:42 AM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: areafiftyone

ping


34 posted on 01/16/2007 8:58:26 AM PST by LimberJim (It says "Breakfast Any Time", right? I'll have the pancakes in the Age of Enlightenment.)
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To: Reagan Man

FLOP-A-ROONIE Rudy


35 posted on 01/16/2007 9:01:42 AM PST by kidd
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To: Reagan Man
I won't vote for Rudy, he's against the 2nd.

His kind of conservatism might play in NY, but I don't see it playing in the midwest (outside of Chicago), or the south.

He's toast.

Hang it up Rudy!!

36 posted on 01/16/2007 9:03:15 AM PST by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: stockstrader
I couldn't agree more. I can't think of a better way to tear the Republican Party apart than to nominate a liberal like Rudy.

Some people just don't want a liberal form of government. They want liberalism removed and Conservatism reinforced.
Why would a Conservative vote for a liberal politician just because there's a letter of the alphabet after his name? It doesn't make sense. He's still just another liberal.

37 posted on 01/16/2007 9:05:00 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

We shall see what happens in the early primaries.

Illegals coming into Northeastern (and other) states and depressing wages IS an economic issue. Porous borders is a security issue. You can figure out what a flood of immigrants flooding north with large families means for the environment from the point of view of, say, New Englanders. We in California are used to it, but they are shocked.


38 posted on 01/16/2007 9:05:39 AM PST by Poincare
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To: Reagan Man

A flop...


39 posted on 01/16/2007 9:06:06 AM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I'll agree but add another important point...as a matter of fact, I'd make it #2 behind terrorism/Iraq...supreme court nominations.

Everyone that says they could not vote for Rudy and will stay home ignores that one of the most important things the next POTUS will do is nominate at least two USSC justices that will affect the court for years.

Rudy has said he's in favor of strict constructionists...I'll tka my chances with him over any Democrat.

The abortion issue is settled by the courts, not the POTUS...so ignoring Rudy for his personal opinion about abortion is short-sighted.


40 posted on 01/16/2007 9:09:30 AM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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